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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jan 22, 2016 5:24 PM CST
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turini said:Hi Lynn
I'm not finished yet in finding out how it will work best.

At the moment I cannot say, if there is a limit. I hope, that everybody can have, which is wanted. If the people want only 50 cultivars (all people together) it's o.k, if they want 500 cultivars it's o.k. It depends, if they are available in the hybridizers' nurseries.

Maybe people have wishes, so they can say their wishes in the beginning. But no guarantee, if it's possible to get all those wished cultivars.
One will have the duty to collect them all and email them to me. But should be reasonable wishes. Impossible to find hundreds of 'Fame Monstrose' and similar things.

Then I can go and look for. I'll do this maybe in March, in any case after weather is not any more frosty.
Better to have not too big plants. Smaller ones and offsets would be probably o.k.

When I go and look for, I will certainly find more interesting cultivars, which are maybe on no whishlist. But I can offer, when I have seen them. Some pictures will sometimes be attached (not all cultivars, but quite a few).

The prices depend on how much the hybridizers want and postage, papers etc.
Payment with PayPal would be o.k. Maybe payment in one total amount, after having all preparations finished. Or in two sums. I don't know at the moment.

Delivery should be End of March. But maybe the Hybridizers will have stress in March with their own beginning deliveries, so it might take place a delay until April.

Let's see, how it will work best. Now, I first must get information about customs regulations etc.

As soon as I know more I'l write back again. Meanwhile people can make wishlists. It's more likely to get cultivars created by the visited hybridizers, than others. But there are also many other sorts in the nurseries.

And please note: It's an attempt. Hope it works.

Best regards
Wolfgang


valleylynn said:
valleylynn said:Just a quick question for you Wolfgang, will the offsets be shipped with clean roots intact? And how many offsets would be in one order?

@turini
turini said:Hi, valleylynn
offsets will have roots, normally. Like they have produced (more or less) on the adult plant. Just will have to be clean - no soil. So I have to get them washed clean, before shipping.
How many depends on how many will be available at the nurseries. If, for instance, from the cultivar 'Leopold' 100 offsets are needed - why not?

Nevertheless I'll try to pack bigger plants too.

So far I can say, that almost all of the cultivars on the given wishlists probably will be available. Maybe 'Interstellar' will be out of stock. Just found only one specimen at Schara's nursery last year. Today one offset of this cultivar has been sold in German ebay for 9,50 Euro. Same with 'Romiley'.

'Halo Luca', as I appreciate, is not available in Germany so far. The picture in sempervivum-liste.de has been made in the hybridizers Garden in Belgium.
There are many Havendijks. It's a series of many different cultivars. The cultivar with the single name 'Havendijk' is without picture mentioned in sempervivum-liste.de

tcstoehr said:
On a separate note, the ugly specter of monetary budgeting is beginning to get my attention a little bit. I don't want to request more than I can afford, but I don't know what prices will be and I understand why that is, completely. No complaint whatsoever. I'm going forward with my own personal estimation that each plant will on the average cost me $10. I believe that to be on the high side... better safe than sorry as they say. But it's still just a guess.
turini said:Oh yes. I expected this.
There is no idea from my person just to get a wealthy man with this offer.


Please do apologize my limited English - I'm German

There will not be plants in the packages which have for instance a price of 10$ or even more.
I think, that 2 or maybe 3$, and sometimes 1$ is the price, we'll have to talk about. It depends on the nurseries listed prices. For offsets.
Big plants sure are up to 10$, depending on how new, how rare etc(incl. customs). Just take a look to several hybridizer's lists-.

I can tell you special information about that, when I've visited the nurseries.

Wishlists are very helpful. And before giving exact orders, everyone will know the costs. As I already said: For me the more easyer way is just give a pricelist an wait for orders. But I can imagine, that there are special interests, which I want to follow.

So please: don't think about money. And I know: after this great transaction the show really will begin and maybe another transaction in 2017 will follow.. It's a test first, I know. Don't be concerned. I'll do my best.


gg5 said:Tim brought up a question - if we're using Google translate and it is set to Auto (mine is) then we don't see the German name, only the English translation - Wolfgang do we need to have all the semps with the correct German names or will you know what they are?? For example I want 'Pot of Gold' but the real name is 'Goldschatz' Please let me know if I should only use the German names Thank you!


valleylynn said:We should always us the correct cultivar name. We ran into that two years ago, and Peter helped us straighten out the mess we had.
If you now sure go to the German version, both with Peter's site and Erwin's site. Maybe open two windows or tabs for cross reference on the names?


tcstoehr said:Another warning of something I've run into, make sure your selections' names are unique. For example if you wanted the excellent Jovi 'Feuerrad' and just put 'Feuerrad' on your list, you might well instead receive Sempervivum 'Feuerrad' which is also excellent but maybe not what you wanted. I've run into this on my own list with another variety. The point is, rarely but sometimes, the same name is given to both a Jovi and another non-Jovi. I can picture poor Wolfgang standing at a table full of semps scratching his head and wondering.


tcstoehr said:Just in case anyone is as clueless as I am, when you look at the http://www.sempervivum-liste.de listing for an individual cultivar, pressing the 'bilder-galerie' (Image Gallery) link will often give you more pictures, sometimes alot more. Maybe I'm the only one who didn't know.


Here is the list of people participating in this purchase, please let me know if I missed someone?:
@gg5
@goldfinch4
@jkbingh
@JungleShadows
@MountainCrestGardens
@pardalinum
@Patty
@perennialobsessions
@springcolor
@tcstoehr
@turini
@valleylynn
@webesemps
@dirtdorphins

[b]Places to look for European semps.

http://garden.org/plants/browse/user/images/turini/?genus=Se...
http://sempervivum-liste.de/
https://www.semper-vivum.de/
http://www.sempervivum.info/html/sempsliste.html
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Jan 22, 2016 6:23 PM CST
Here is my updated list so far:
Sempervivum 'Herzblatt'
Sempervivum 'Knuddelbär'
Sempervivum 'Aioi'
Sempervivum 'Sunburst'
Sempervivum 'Black Meteor'
Sempervivum 'Regensburger Clown'
Sempervivum 'Tintenblut'
Sempervivum 'Blade of Steel'
Sempervivum ‘Taara’
Sempervivum calcareum ‘Benz’
Sempervivum ‘Blaukraut’
Sempervivum ‘Donna Karan’
Sempervivum ‘Feuerrad’
Sempervivum ‘Laysan’
Sempervivum arachnoideum ‘Pfälzer Sternchen’
Sempervivum ‘Regenbogen’
Sempervivum ‘Schwarze Rose’
Sempervivum ‘Vasi Petru’
Sempervivum ‘Romiley’
Sempervivum ‘Rivale’
Sempervivum ‘Sweet Irish’
Sempervivum ‘Fernzunder’
Sempervivum ‘Leopold’
Sempervivum ‘Rosenherz’
Sempervivum ‘Bronze Plastic’
Sempervivum ‘Firlefanz’
Sempervivum ‘Banjo’
Sempervivum ‘Eyjafjalla’
Sempervivum ‘Habibi’
Sempervivum ‘Halemaumau’
Sempervivum ‘Havendijks Giant’
Sempervivum ‘Hocus Pocus’
Sempervivum ‘Ajax’
Sempervivum ‘Pingo’
Sempervivum ‘Wok’
Sempervivum ‘Gabrielle’
Sempervivum ‘Sea Coral’
Sempervivum 'Lady of Fire'
Sempervivum ‘Korspel Lady’
Sempervivum 'Manfred Merz'
Sempervivum 'Simsalabim'
Sempervivum 'Tiefgang'
Sempervivum 'Tiefpunkt'
Sempervivum 'Vanto'
Sempervivum ‘Wirbelsturm’
Sempervivum 'Darline'
Sempervivum 'One Hundred'
Sempervivum globiferum 'Sweet Lime Girl'
heuffelii 'Sun Valse'
hueffelii ‘Cheese Fever’
heuffelii 'Cheese Time'
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Name: Julia
Washington State (Zone 7a)
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springcolor
Jan 22, 2016 8:08 PM CST
Thank You!
Sempervivum for Sale
Name: Dirt
(Zone 5b)
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dirtdorphins
Jan 22, 2016 8:15 PM CST
Oh no--I didn't even know about this and now it's full??
okay, I will hope for a wild success in the endeavor and try to pay attention next year!
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Jan 22, 2016 8:45 PM CST
Dirt, start making your list, you are added to the list of buyers. Smiling
Name: Dirt
(Zone 5b)
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dirtdorphins
Jan 22, 2016 8:58 PM CST
Whoo-hoo!!
thank you Lynn!

now where do I find the possibilities? Hmmm, look at Wolfgang's pictures and covet every single one of them? nodding

omg, can I want Leopold too?
I shall have no trouble coming up with wish list
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Jan 22, 2016 9:15 PM CST
You sure can dirt. Be sure you double check that an ATP member doesn't already own a particular semp. You would only want to choose semps that we don't have in the U.S.
Let the fun begin. Hurray!
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Jan 22, 2016 9:18 PM CST
Also remember to untranslate if you use Google translate so that all names are in their original language! (in this case most of the semps will be German names)
Dirt I am so glad you were able to be added!
Thanks Lynn! I tip my hat to you.
Plants bring me peace and calm, more of what we all need Smiling
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Jan 22, 2016 9:20 PM CST
Yes, I remember Peter helping us straighten that out here in the U.S. All those Silver ----, that were really Zilver-. And many others.
Name: Patty
Washington State (Zone 8b)
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Patty
Jan 22, 2016 9:22 PM CST
And here is my wish list

Blazen Jewel - Sue Thomas
Bright Spark - Sue Thomas
Caro - Smits
Fresh Fine Orange - Schara
Habibi - Genschk
Icielisse - Smits
Imperial Purple - Sue Thomas
Libreda - Smits
Orange Glow - Schara
Orange Perfection - Wilde
Purple Bronce - Wilde
Red Yamit - Smits
Regensburger Clown - Geiger
Rio de Janeiro - Schara
Samadhi - Schara
Schwarz Rose - Gensch
Simsalabim - Schara
Sneezy - Smits
Voodoo - Geiger
Zundflamme - Schara

Patty 🌺
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Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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tcstoehr
Jan 22, 2016 9:26 PM CST
dirtdorphins said:Whoo-hoo!!
thank you Lynn!

now where do I find the possibilities? Hmmm, look at Wolfgang's pictures and covet every single one of them? nodding

omg, can I want Leopold too?
I shall have no trouble coming up with wish list


Here's a good place to start. There's enough here to keep you busy for a long time.
http://www.sempervivumgarten.de/sempervivum-a-z/index.htm

And yes, 'Leopold' is in there. You're not the only one wanting it. Remember there are no guarantees that Wolfgang will be able to find a supply of any given cultivar.
Name: Tim Stoehr
Canby, Oregon (Zone 8b)
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tcstoehr
Jan 22, 2016 9:29 PM CST
I just realized I shouldn't be chit-chatting and jibber-jabbering in here. Moderator, feel free to delete. *Blush*
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Name: Dirt
(Zone 5b)
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dirtdorphins
Jan 22, 2016 9:41 PM CST
Hurray!
Let the fun begin
Hurray!

Thank You!
okay, I post a wish list here then and no chatting?
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jan 22, 2016 10:46 PM CST
Tim we can chit chat as much as we want on this thread. It is for everything, chatting, lists, information. Whatever. Big Grin

And yes, post your list here and definitely chat on. Hurray!
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
Sempervivums Sedums Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener Garden Ideas: Level 1
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gg5
Jan 23, 2016 1:09 AM CST
Hurray!
Plants bring me peace and calm, more of what we all need Smiling
Name: Mary Stella
Anchorage, AK (Zone 4b)
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Oberon46
Jan 23, 2016 1:25 AM CST
So this purchase group is now closed?
"What a person needs in gardening is a cast iron back with a hinge in it" Charles Dudley Warner (spelling edited by Dinu lol)
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
Forum moderator I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Plant and/or Seed Trader Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums
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valleylynn
Jan 23, 2016 2:00 AM CST
Hi Mary, it's nice to meet you.
Sorry to say it is now closed, but about this time next year we will hopefully be having another one. Do you grow sempervivum?
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
Charter ATP Member Garden Sages I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I helped beta test the Garden Planting Calendar I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Database Moderator
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valleylynn
Jan 23, 2016 12:57 PM CST
All of you keep tabs on the first post for this thread. I have been adding important information from some of the other private T-mails floating around. Trying to get it all in one place. Hope this is helpful.
Name: Bev
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
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webesemps
Jan 23, 2016 10:51 PM CST
Yes it has, Lynn! and thanks for whoever mentioned double checking names from a domestic site to a European site. And Tim, you don't hold the title to "Clueless"...well, at least not on Tuesdays and Fridays.... Whistling
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
Sempervivums Sedums Plant Lover: Loves 'em all! Cactus and Succulents Container Gardener Garden Ideas: Level 1
Garden Art Birds Dog Lover Cat Lover Region: Pacific Northwest Hummingbirder
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gg5
Jan 23, 2016 11:44 PM CST
webesemps said:Yes it has, Lynn! and thanks for whoever mentioned double checking names from a domestic site to a European site. And Tim, you don't hold the title to "Clueless"...well, at least not on Tuesdays and Fridays.... Whistling

With that said - there is still the possibility that the Europeans have a different plant under the same name so if it really is something you want, I'd consider getting it. I tip my hat to you.
Plants bring me peace and calm, more of what we all need Smiling

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