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Jan 23, 2016 3:16 PM CST
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Name: Carol H. Sandt
Lancaster County, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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In my first timid foray beyond Knock Out and Drift roses, to find fragrant disease-resistant roses, I have ordered the following Kordes roses for delivery in early April:

2 Dark Desire: Palatine Roses
1 Beverly: PalatineRoses
2 Wedding Bells: Palatine Roses
3 Savannah: Chamblee Rose Nursery

A rose expert from ATP first told me about Kordes roses, which have been bred in Germany for disease resistance. Then I read an excellent book called "Roses without chemicals: 150 disease-free varieties that will change the way you grow roses" by Peter E. Kukielski. My Kukielski trialed these roses as curator of the Peggy Rockefeller Rose Garden at the New York Botanical Garden from 2006 to 2013. He is now the executive director of the new American Rose Trials for Sustainability (A.R.T.S), launched in 2014.

In this book, the roses are scored on disease resistance (0-60), flowering (0-30), and fragrance (0-10), with a maximum total of 100. Here are the ones I considered (* = Kordes):

Cultivar Type Color Dis. Resist. Flowering Fragrance Total

'Beverly'* Hyb. Tea Pink 54 21 10 85

'Dark Desire'* Hyb. Tea Red/Purple 55 28 10 93

'First Crush'* Floribunda Creamy Pink 50 25 10 85

'Maris-Luise Marjan Hyb. Tea Creamy White 54 25 9 88

'Poseidon'* Floribunda Lavender 57 26 9 92

'Savannah'* Hyb. Tea Apricot-Pink 60 25 9 94

'Summer Romance'* Floribunda Dark Pink 52 28 10 90

'WeddingBells'* Hyb. Tea Pink Blend 60 28 6 94

Do my choices look OK to you more experienced Rosarians?
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Jan 23, 2016 4:23 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
Richmond, TX (Zone 9a)
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It sounds as if you have really done a lot of research. Those selections sound like winners to me. Best of luck!
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Feb 15, 2016 6:32 AM CST
Name: Teri
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Now that you've done all the preliminary investigation, it will be easy for me to choose my next roses. Thank you!
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Feb 15, 2016 9:50 AM CST
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Name: Carol H. Sandt
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Roses_R_Red said:Now that you've done all the preliminary investigation, it will be easy for me to choose my next roses. Thank you!


Hm... Thanks for your confidence, but please remember that I will be venturing beyond Knockout and Drift roses for the first time this spring. I am assuming and hoping that these roses will do well in Pennsylvania since they did well in Brooklyn, NY. Beyond that, it will be an experiment for me!

It would be great to know how they have done for ATP gardeners who have actually grown these roses.
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Feb 15, 2016 12:10 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
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I don't recognize your selections but I'm not a rose expert. In my area, I grow only self-rooted roses because they often die to the ground here. I'm in Zone 6b or 7a, depending who you ask. But we don't get a lot of snow to protect plants from freeze and dehydration.

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Feb 15, 2016 6:37 PM CST
Name: Rick Corey
Everett WA 98204 (Zone 8a)
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You might look up EACH variety you've named in the ATP Plant Database, and make a list of people who "have" any of your varieties, especially if their location sound similar to your climate.

Then you could TreeMail some of them asking how that variety fared in their garden, or put their names here with the "@" symbol and ask them in this thread.

For example, I saw @Trish and @MargieNY "Having" or "Wanting" those varieties more than once.

CS said:
"In my first timid foray beyond Knock Out and Drift roses, to find fragrant disease-resistant roses, I have ordered the following Kordes roses for delivery in early April:

2 Dark Desire: Palatine Roses
1 Beverly: PalatineRoses
2 Wedding Bells: Palatine Roses
3 Savannah: Chamblee Rose Nursery
...
Do my choices look OK to you more experienced Rosarians?"

Location: Lancaster County, Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Feb 15, 2016 10:35 PM CST
Name: Porkpal
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Rick to the rescue.
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Feb 16, 2016 4:16 PM CST
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Name: Trish
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I love my 'Poseidon'!
It tolerates my heat very well. In fact, all of the Kordes have done very well for me so far (2-3 years in).
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