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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Feb 19, 2016 8:59 PM CST
I often find myself searching through a genus looking for the parent page and wonder why, if there is one, it isn't always first? I tip my hat to you.
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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Feb 19, 2016 9:01 PM CST

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That's a good question.

Can you give me a link to a page or search results area where you're seeing a list of plants where it might be well served to be at the top? Seeing specifically the area you're looking at would be very helpful to me.
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robertduval14
Feb 19, 2016 9:11 PM CST

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well, a simple example shows itself here...

http://garden.org/plants/search/text/?q=Hemerocallis&button=
http://garden.org/plants/search/text/?q=daylily&button=

where a search for either query brings up the parent entry as 3rd on the results. Other, genus level parent entries will end up even deeper in the results...

http://garden.org/plants/search/text/?q=sedum&button=
http://garden.org/plants/browse/plants/genus/Hylotelephium/
Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Feb 19, 2016 9:34 PM CST
http://garden.org/plants/search/text/?q=Arctotis&button= I'm not even sure if this is the parent page from the list of common names attached and there is only one entry here. If you are already in Arctotis and click on the blue link it takes you to a list where it is #one but if you type into the search bar Arctotis it is not #one and this happens in other instances. It's a minor extra click in this case.
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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Feb 19, 2016 9:39 PM CST
Same with Lagertroemia typed in the search bar. You have to go into the custom database, click on Crepe Myrtle to get to the parent entry.
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Name: Rob Duval
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robertduval14
Feb 19, 2016 10:01 PM CST

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HamiltonSquare said:Same with Lagertroemia typed in the search bar. You have to go into the custom database, click on Crepe Myrtle to get to the parent entry.


In this particular case...you misspelled the genus name... Lagerstroemia
Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Feb 19, 2016 10:11 PM CST
That aside, aside you obviously know what I mean.
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Danita
Feb 19, 2016 11:45 PM CST
I'd love for the parent page to show first in search results!
I'd also love for it to show up in the list when you are proposing an incorrect image to be moved.
Pretty please! Lovey dubby
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bonitin
Feb 20, 2016 3:23 AM CST
I agree
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Feb 21, 2016 9:29 AM CST
Crassula is another one. Crassulas (Crassula)
This is what I get if I type in crassula http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?q=crassula&button=
No parent plant entry comes up.

I agree that it would be nice if all parent plant entries come up first in a search. Many of them have great information that is very useful.
Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
Feb 21, 2016 9:56 AM CST
If they were all as informative as the Semps. parent page some day that would be awesome. Lovey dubby
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Feb 21, 2016 4:19 PM CST
Thank you Leslieray. I need to review it and see if it needs updating. And I see the sedum parent plant entry is way off now. It shows plants that aren't even considered to be sedum anymore.
Hmmmm, wonder how that would be done? Sedum have been split into several different Genus now.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Feb 21, 2016 5:03 PM CST

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The Sedum parent plant entry, which has no plant information showing, applies only to sedums, but browsing by genus will show you all of the sedums and "former" sedums (because they have Sedum species listed as synonyms). The Sedum parent plant entry is not "way off," except that many of the photos in that entry need to be moved to other genera.

If you have plant information that applies to ALL sedums, let Dave know. He can add the info to the parent page, and it will automatically be copied to every child Sedum plant. It will not be copied to the Petrosedums, Hylotelephiums, and other plants once classified as sedums.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Feb 21, 2016 5:50 PM CST
Thank you Zuzu. I think in the very beginning of the database history we did have something written for the Parent Plant entry. Then I realized the huge array of plants this encompassed, and felt that it didn't apply properly. It was easier at the time to just delete it and start over again.
Then the was the big split of plants. I think I just plain forgot about it with so much going on.
I'll see if I, or some one else, can come up with something that will work.
Is it alright if I have you look over it first, if I write something? Then submit it to Dave?
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Feb 21, 2016 6:40 PM CST

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Sure, Lynn, I'll be glad to look it over. It would be good to add some plant information, but it has to apply to every single sedum, so that probably would rule out hardiness zones, height and width, etc.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Feb 21, 2016 6:49 PM CST
Yes, that is why I will have to really think about how to approach the topic. Thank you Zuzu.
Name: Carol
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ctcarol
Feb 21, 2016 7:53 PM CST
I think hardiness zones, height , and width are all relative anyway. Those all depend on what part of the planet one lives on. They could be included in the comments, I suppose. For example Florida's zone 10, and Southern California's zone 10 don't support the same plants due to rains and brief freezes in the different seasons...and on my trip to Hawaii, I was shocked at the size of things like Philodendrons and Ipomeas.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Feb 21, 2016 8:44 PM CST
I agree
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Feb 21, 2016 8:51 PM CST

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Well, if nothing else, I assume they're all succulents, perennials, xeriscapic, and gopher-resistant. They probably have a few other common characteristics as well.
Name: Zuzu
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zuzu
Feb 21, 2016 8:55 PM CST

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Oops! Turns out there is an annual sedum, so scratch that list. Glare

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