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Name: Patrick Alan
Toms River, New Jersey (Zone 7a)
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AlanJ
Mar 18, 2016 4:28 PM CST
I have planted Morning Glory seeds, and Black-eyed Susan Vine seeds indoors in peat pots. Only some of the Morning Glory seeds have germinated and come up. The Black-eyed Susan vine seeds have yet to come up. I thought all of these
seeds would be easy to start indoors. Anyone have any thoughts or advice on this ?
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froggardener
Mar 18, 2016 7:17 PM CST
Hi Alan, when I have started B E S vine, it usually takes close to a month before they emerge
Good luck
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poisondartfrog
Mar 19, 2016 6:36 AM CST
Hi Alan,
Most any Ipomoea species responds well to being nicked or lightly abraded and then soaked overnight in warm/hot water before sowing. You can skip the abrading step and just soak overnight to hasten germination for most species. Either way, the seed coat will swell and start breaking apart, often while still in the water.

I soak Thunbergia alata 24-36 hours in warm water, too. Germination usually takes about a week.
Name: Ronnie
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luvsgrtdanes
Mar 19, 2016 6:51 AM CST
Alan, how long has it been for the morning glories and what kind? I have had I.nil take a month or more. Just when I thought they were goners up they popped.
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Name: Patrick Alan
Toms River, New Jersey (Zone 7a)
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AlanJ
Mar 19, 2016 8:41 AM CST
I have planted the following seeds - all were soaked in warm water over 24-hours before planting:

- Morning Glory Crimson Rambler - ipomoea purpurea
- Morning Glory Grandpa Ott
- Black-Eyed Susan Vine

Only the Morning Glory Crimson Rambler have come up. None of the other seeds have come up
yet.
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Name: Ronnie
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luvsgrtdanes
Mar 19, 2016 10:02 AM CST
It may still be a little cool yet for the MG, they like the warmth. I'd give them some time.
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Name: Anne
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Xeramtheum
Mar 19, 2016 10:55 AM CST
Ronnies right, soil temps play a big part in how fast seeds come up. Once they do come up and start growing you'll need to keep them away from other plants until you can plant them out as they don't play nice with others and try to hug everything to death.
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Name: Patrick Alan
Toms River, New Jersey (Zone 7a)
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AlanJ
Mar 19, 2016 11:48 AM CST
Right now, all of the seeds are INDOORS, planted in Peat Pots. The house is warm. It is still to cool outdoors to plant them in the ground. The MG's are being planted in a Hanging basket.
The Black-eyed susan vine seeds will be planted in the ground. I guess I'll have to wait until
Next Month.
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Name: Ronnie
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luvsgrtdanes
Mar 19, 2016 4:54 PM CST
I'm sorry Alan I misunderstood, thought they were outside *Blush* ...when did you plant the seeds?
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Name: Patrick Alan
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AlanJ
Mar 19, 2016 5:45 PM CST
I planted the seeds about 2-weeks ago. Only the Morning Glory 'Crimson Rambler' seeds have come up. The MG 'Grandpa Ott' has shown no signs of germination, and the Black-eyed Susan vine seeds are not coming up yet either.
Sad
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Name: Ronnie
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luvsgrtdanes
Mar 19, 2016 6:36 PM CST
You can dig them up and see if they rotted...you still have plenty of time to start more if you need to.
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Name: Patrick Alan
Toms River, New Jersey (Zone 7a)
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AlanJ
Mar 21, 2016 7:29 AM CST
My seed growing indoors is not going well at all. My MG seeds and Black-eyed Susan vine seeds just are not taking off, and the ones that do, fall over and die! I'm real upset, so I think I'll just bag
this whole thing and go out in MAY and plant some plants! Angry
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Name: Jolana
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froggardener
Mar 21, 2016 7:58 AM CST
I'm sorry
gardening has its disappointments to be sure but there is more joy than the latter
Morning glories grow so fast you'll still get to see blooms
Smiling
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Azgarden
Mar 21, 2016 11:41 AM CST
Just a thought...since mg's like heat, you might try a heat mat or some other heat source and then once they sprout, take them outdoors for light if your days are warm. Sorry if I have repeated somethings already mentioned on this thread. If your nights are still cool, bring them back to heat at night. Might keep them from being too "leggy". Also, I have started soaking and watering all of my seeds and watering seedlings with a peroxide/water mixture. I use 1 tablespoon of 3% peroxide in 2 cups of water. Supposed to help with germination and prevent damping off. Don't give up!
Name: Ronnie
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luvsgrtdanes
Mar 21, 2016 1:02 PM CST
Alan morning glories do really well direct sowed, you might want to try that before you buy any plants.
I had a BES vine that did really well one year from seeds that had fallen off by themselves.
It happens in a flash, but the memory of it last forever. It can not be borrowed or stolen, and it is of no earthly good until it is given away. So if in your hurry you meet someone who is too weary to smile, leave him one of yours, for no one needs a smile quite as much as he who has none to give...

Name: Patrick Alan
Toms River, New Jersey (Zone 7a)
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AlanJ
Mar 21, 2016 1:39 PM CST
I don't know how hardy MG's are - but right now here in NJ it is Bitter Cold outside and yesterday we had Snow and Ice ---- hardly Spring-like here in NJ right now! I'm tempted to just plant up
my hanging basket with the morning glory seeds and see if they come up. Some of them have already - the Crimson Glory seeds - but the Grandpa Ott MG seeds have not yet come up.
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Name: Alyssa Blue
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AlyssaBlue
Mar 21, 2016 4:04 PM CST
AlanC- did the seed mix dry out at any point? It has to be kept moist.

Name: Dee Moore
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DomehomeDee
Mar 28, 2016 11:55 AM CST
I've grown a lot of black-eyed susan vines and they've all been started indoors on a heat mat. Results have varied for me, a lot. I have bought all my seeds for them from the same place. One year I got near 100 percent germination, the next only 25 percent. I'm thinking this plant needs really fresh seeds and there is really no way of knowing how fresh they are when you buy them. I have had really mixed results with MG's too. People see my seed trays and think I have some magic touch, I tell them "no I just plant mass quantities".
Name: Patrick Alan
Toms River, New Jersey (Zone 7a)
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AlanJ
Mar 28, 2016 12:16 PM CST
I've planted my hanging basket with the Crimson Rambler and put it outdoors. The MG Grandpa Ott seeds have not germinated, and the Black-eyed Susan vine seeds have not germinated either. I will continue to keep the soil most for all peat pots of these seeds, but as time passes
I'm losing hope that they will germinate. Sad
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woofie
Mar 28, 2016 5:21 PM CST
Alan, to save on frustration, you might try the old "paper towel" method for starting morning glories (saves on waiting for non--viable seeds to sprout). Scritch the seed coat a bit, soak the seeds for a few hours or overnight, then fold them up in a piece of damp paper towel and put it in a plastic bag. Set the baggie some place warm and check them every couple of days. When the seeds sprout (which usually takes less than a week), carefully transfer the sprouted seed into a prepared pot and cover it with a bit of soil. Once they break ground, you'll need to keep those seedlings reasonably warm. MG's do NOT like cold temps. I've had volunteers show up here in the frozen north, but they only appear when the ground warms up. If your Crimson Ramblers have already sprouted, they are not going to appreciate being put out in your cold weather!
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