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javaMom
Mar 19, 2016 8:44 AM CST
Dear friends,

I have ordered this list and looking forward to plant them in my garden, since this is my first time, I would appreciate your help on how to arrange them in my flower bed (height, color etc)

Ruby Spider
Wispy Rays
Red Volunteer
Mose's Fire
Francis of Assisi
Roman Cohort
Adamas
Bali Watercolor
Druid's Chant
Indian Giver
Lavender Blue Baby
Malaysian Monarch
Wild Horses
Hillbilly Heart
Lies and Lipstick
Peggy Jeffcoat

Thank you so much....

Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Mar 19, 2016 9:35 AM CST
I think it would be almost impossible to advise on the planting in your garden (my opinion). The shape of the bed, your preference for color blends, the location of shady spots, drier and wetter areas of the garden, etc.
For instance I just like the looks of certain foliage better than others. Are you planning on using some of these as a border, are you planning on using some to be a focal point of the planting, just on and on the issues go. So my suggestion is to get the plants and plant them in almost any order see how they do in your garden and then select where you want them. Maybe a few will multiply very fast, and you will not want them there, maybe others will just not grow in your area, just so many things that could affect your selection of plantings.
I grow my daylilies in a hodge podge manner, some all lined up like a daylily vender would have them with labels predominantly displayed, most people would not like my method, but it is my garden and I grow them the way I like. I think you will end up doing the same, planting some by the door when you walk out, a few in a bed, maybe some in a small or even large border over time. Anyhow you plant them, just enjoy growing them and the beauty and enjoyment they bring.
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floota
Mar 19, 2016 9:54 AM CST
I've gardened with daylilies for over 20 years, and the biggest mistake ( one that I made repeatedly until recent years!) was planting them too close together initially. I've also learned that it is important to supplement your soil if you have poor soil BEFORE you start. Even if they look scant at first, MAKE yourself plant any daylilies that aren't registered as miniatures on 2' centers at the very least. I'm going to 3' centers now with large clumps. minis can go a bit closer together, maybe 18" centers. Fill in with annuals the first year if your beds look too bare but they will grow in to fill the space quickly. On the beds that have walking paths where you can walk on all sides of the bed, I plant by height with 3 rows, the tallest row in the middle. On beds that can be viewed from the front only, I also plant by height with the tallest in the back. Companion perennials are important for longer season color. In this climate, I use clematis at the back or on obelisks, various types of rudbeckias, echinaceas, Agastache, salvias, kalimeris is good here with a long bloom season. Oriental lilies (need plenty of room) spring bulbs but am now moving them to the rear of beds because they increase so quickly and can overpower in a few years. Some heucheras do well here in full sun, but probably would be risky in your climate. Some people like to group by color and I've seen nice white beds , blue and orange beds or others that are opposites on the color chart, "hot" beds of reds, yellows and oranges, etc. I prefer the diversity of color and forms all mixed together . If you plant perennials to give blue, white, chartreuse as well as columnar and textural interest, it adds a lot to your garden.
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javaMom
Mar 19, 2016 10:05 AM CST
Thank you Seedfork,

So glad to get your help, I am planning to plant these daylilies or most of it in the pie shape addition to my flower bed and like most of my flower beds are in full sun..
Love to hear the input and advices from friends who has lot of experience on this...
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javaMom
Mar 19, 2016 10:12 AM CST
Thank you Floota,

Wonderful advice, I will definitely note this and see what I can do with mine...Right now (this is on my backyard) on the adjacent flower beds I have a small dogwood, 2 years old wisteria (planted for my eldest graduation in '14), roses, scabiosa, penstemon, aster, noids etc.... I had to put quite a bit of ammendments on my flower beds because of poor soil..I wish I can have clematis on my back yard but it's too hot...I had them in the front yard next to the house...

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touchofsky
Mar 19, 2016 10:34 AM CST
I have some 'pie shaped' beds, and I have planted them with the tall cultivars along the back, having the cultivars graduate down to the shorted ones on the points. Mid sized ones in the middle of the bed. With short ones, especially ones with smaller blooms along the front row. I hope this makes sense Blinking
I will also try to arrange colour, with the softest colours blending to more dramatic colours. Also, you can pick an eyezone and put a cultivar a similar colour to the eyezone of its neighbour. Just as an example, I would place a cream or blush coloured short cultivar on one of the points, then next to it a slightly darker cultivar, say a slightly darker pink, then next to that a pink with a darker eyezone, then the next would be a daylily the colour of the eyezone.
I am sure other people will have suggestions, as well!
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Mar 19, 2016 11:31 AM CST
floota,
I am glad you mentioned the spacing. With my first few daylilies space was not a problem, so I just spaced them here and there throughout the beds. Then when I created a daylily only bed I planted them very close in order to get more plants in the bed and they were small young plants, so maybe 12 to 14 inches. As they grew I realized they were too close so I moved up to 18 inch spacing. Well, now I have gone to 24 inch spacing, and from your post, it looks like three foot spacing might be in my future. After all, large beautiful clumps were high on my priority list but that eats up the space pretty fast. I have done the arrangement by height thing and it works sometimes, but then it sometimes gets to be too"arranged" looking (coming from someone who is known for planting in rows like soldiers : my wife's description). But I think with the further spacing the arranging by height becomes less necessary as the extra spaces between plants allow for the smaller plants to be seen from different angles.
Name: Donald
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needrain
Mar 19, 2016 11:44 AM CST
In regards to the height I'd think there might be at least two things to consider. First would be if the plant cooperates and actually reaches its registered height. My growing conditions often inhibit plants (not just daylilies) from managing that. To say they are inconsistent would be an understatement.

The other thing would be the foliage height. Isn't registered height only considering the scapes? Even the descriptions of daylilies often refer to 'small fans' as part of their description implying that the foliage among daylilies varies. I'm growing UFs and spiders mostly. There are differences in the foliage among the plants even when you separate them by ploidy, which makes for another difference on what I'm seeing so far. To me there is a lot more difference between tetraploid vs diploid fan growth and not much at all in how the blooms look and fare here. I think those growth habits might mess with the best laid plans Big Grin .
Donald
Name: Barb
Quincy, FL (Zone 8b)
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Dragonkeep
Mar 19, 2016 12:16 PM CST
Hi all y'all,

If you get a double or triple fan, do you separate them before planting or plant them as a small clump of 2 or 3 fans that you got?

Barb
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Name: Barb
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Dragonkeep
Mar 19, 2016 12:20 PM CST
Another thing to consider is if you have plants that melt in the heat, they may need to be placed in an area where there is a bit of afternoon shade - not too much, but it does help especially with dark flowers.

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Name: Gale
CentralWa (Zone 6a)
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GDJCB
Mar 19, 2016 2:15 PM CST
I prefer my Daylilies mixed in with other plants that will bloom all spring, summer, and fall. My first Dayliliy order I lined out in a row with Dwarf Ornamental Cherry trees, 7 daylilies then a tree, for a total of 35 daylilies and 8 trees. Looks fantastic when the Daylilies are blooming, but not so much after. Daylilies have a short bloom time compared to many other plants. I have now incorporated all my Daylilies with other plants that will have blooms from early spring, to late fall. As has been stated before, just take notice of bloom height before planting. This is for my named Daylilies, my seedlings are just in rows. Just have fun, and know there really is no wrong way, as long as you like it, and that plants can be moved.

Gale
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Polymerous
Mar 19, 2016 5:01 PM CST
'Red Volunteer', as with many other reds, *will* melt and slick in hot sun. Try to put it into some shade - at least, afternoon shade. I can't speak to the other reds on your list, as I have not grown them (well, I have 'Ruby Spider' but have not yet had it bloom), but 'Red Volunteer' slicks here.

Blooms on 'Bali Watercolor' can spot, so I would try to place it somewhere the blooms won't get hit with irrigation spray. For that matter, it has been rust prone here, so irrigation spray on any part of it may not be a good idea... use drip or something that won't leave the foliage wet. (How much good that will do you in FL, I don't know... Confused You may have to (ugh) spray.)

The current avatar image is that of a volunteer daylily seedling showing cristation.
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javaMom
Mar 19, 2016 6:08 PM CST
Thank you touchofsky,Seedfork, needrain, Dragonkeep, GDJCB, Polymerous for all the help and great advices for the upcoming daylilies bed...Love it all and once again (hope you won't get tired hearing this) sooooo glad I found you guys... and happy to join the gang...

Have a great week-end,
Name: Barb
Quincy, FL (Zone 8b)
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Dragonkeep
Mar 19, 2016 8:54 PM CST
Anyone have a feel for how much longer it takes to grow a clump starting from a single, double or triple fan? Should the fans be separated and planted separately?
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Name: Teresa
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bluegrassmom
Mar 19, 2016 8:59 PM CST
I always leave mine together when planting them. I have heard others say to do that. I never tried separating them. I have won some newer singles on the LA and it seems to take at least one season for them to get going to even bloom.

This is the 3rd year for a SF of BLACK PARROT and it looks like it is still a SF Sad
Hopefully, it will bloom this summer! Anyone growing that one?

Java, it looks like you have been given good advise above. I also have mixed beds of perennials but in my daylily only beds, I try to group them by size or shapes. Minis in the front, tall spidery ones together and so on. I have seen like colors planted together but I prefer to see mixed ones together.
I also did a planting last Fall of Bachman plants together. Or you can go with a themed bed. Have fun!
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javaMom
Mar 20, 2016 8:35 AM CST
Thanks Bluegrassmom, I am so lucky to have so many great advices and friends !!! I will let you know when the daylilies arrived..in the meantime anyone has experience with
Fancy Face, Key to my Heart, Mystical Rainbow & Destined to see...

Have a wonderful Sunday everyone !
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beckygardener
Mar 20, 2016 8:43 AM CST
You may want to check the rust resistance on each of those. Fancy Face (unknown rust resistance) and Key to My Heart (Good rust resistance) are two I might personally try. (Not Mystical Rainbow or Destined to See.) You are in a zone that may have a problem with rust fungus on daylily plants.
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javaMom
Mar 20, 2016 10:59 AM CST
Thanks Becky, will do that !!!
First day of Spring, chilly morning .... thanks God we did not have freeze last night...almost but not quite...
how about your first day of Spring friends ?
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Emquinn
Mar 20, 2016 11:54 AM CST
Providing the proper spacing is most important. I made the mistake and planted to close and now need yo redo a bed of 60 + plants that have increased almost to good. My garden is a mix of color haven't given much thought to flow and grouping by color but do try to pay attention to height, tall at the back.
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javaMom
Mar 20, 2016 12:33 PM CST
Ooops...not Spring yet until tomorrow...

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