Daylilies forum: How to count branches

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Ontario, Canada (Zone 5b)
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Anne
Apr 7, 2016 8:08 PM CST
AHS currently provides 2 contradictory methods for counting branches via their website.

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AHS Dictionary: Branching
http://www.daylilies.org/ahs_dictionary/branching.html
It's a pretty thorough and clear explanation. It states that terminal V's are to be counted as 2 branches.
Excerpt: "A terminal V is counted as 2 branches and a terminal W is counted as 3 branches. A scape that does not divide into a V or a W at its terminus is counted as 1 branch."

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Registration Instructions: AHS Registration Guidelines
PDF: http://www.daylilies.org/DaylilyDB/RegistrationInstructions....
This is a rather concise explanation of how to count branches when registering a daylily with AHS; however, it specifically states that terminal V's are to be counted as 1 branch only.
Excerpt: "For purposes of this calculation the terminal ā€œVā€ should NOT be counted as 2 separate branches."

Confused

How do you count branching on your daylilies?
Name: Suga
Coastal South Carolina (Zone 8b)
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Suga
Apr 7, 2016 8:15 PM CST
I read what it says on the AHS website..... If you really want me to be honest Rolling on the floor laughing
Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Apr 7, 2016 9:09 PM CST
Well, to me that reads that only when registering a plant do you not count the V terminal as two branches, and being I have not registered any plants I will count the V terminal as two branches. Why it would be like that I have no idea.
Name: Karen
Butler County (Zone 6a)
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taylordaylily
Apr 7, 2016 9:25 PM CST
I agree with Seedfork.

Thank You! Anne This is a good question, I look forward to others input.
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Apr 8, 2016 6:37 AM CST
I definitely may be counting branching all wrong after looking at that.
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 8, 2016 6:43 AM CST
I was on the committee that established the new guidelines for branching. The version in the Daylily Dictionary is the current one and was also published in the Daylily Journal of Summer 2013. I think the registration instructions have just not been updated to reflect this. Thanks for bringing it up, I will raise this with the relevant person at AHS.
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spunky1
Apr 8, 2016 6:44 AM CST
Here are a couple of examples. How many branch's do you see on each?
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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Apr 8, 2016 6:45 AM CST
Well I haven't registered any in awhile so maybe I was doing it right back then. Do you know when the guidelines were changed Sue??
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Hemlady
Apr 8, 2016 6:46 AM CST
7????
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Apr 8, 2016 6:58 AM CST
Hemlady said:Well I haven't registered any in awhile so maybe I was doing it right back then. Do you know when the guidelines were changed Sue??


It was published in the Summer 2013 Daylily Journal. I've reported this conflict so hopefully it will be resolved, but the Daylily Dictionary has the currently correct instructions, or see page 8 of that issue of the DJ.

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Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
Melvindale, Mi (Zone 5b)
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Hemlady
Apr 8, 2016 7:07 AM CST
Thanks Sue.
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Name: Sandi
Franklin, WI (Zone 5a)
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Seedsower
Apr 8, 2016 8:48 AM CST
Regarding Spunky's photos:

Six-photo 1
Five - photo 2

??? Interested to find out, this has always perplexed me Confused
Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Apr 8, 2016 9:04 AM CST
1) A "W" at the top for three, and then three lower branches for a total of six.
2) A "Y" at the top for two, then three lower branches for a total of 5.
That is also how I see them.
Name: Karen
Butler County (Zone 6a)
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taylordaylily
Apr 8, 2016 9:07 AM CST
I count 5 on both. I'm sure I'm wrong.

On the top picture, Do you count the bottom branch to the left as a branch? I'm asking because it doesn't have a V or W. I left it out of my count for that reason. Sorry, if I'm just being thick headed, but I'm confused. *Blush*
Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Apr 8, 2016 9:19 AM CST
A lateral stem should have two or more buds to be counted, but the photo is so dark, it is hard to tell, you could be right.
Name: Karen
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taylordaylily
Apr 8, 2016 12:07 PM CST
Thank You!
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Frillylily
Apr 8, 2016 1:15 PM CST
who knows. I just look at a photo of the plant as a whole and if it is smothered in action, I buy it! Big Grin
Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Apr 8, 2016 1:24 PM CST
Appears to be 4 on each photo if counting for the current registration guidelines.
Otherwise, 6 on the first one, and 5 on the second.
What is the reason for the changes for registration?
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Name: Larry
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Seedfork
Apr 8, 2016 2:52 PM CST
If I understood correctly, the method shown for registration is outdated, and the change should make both methods the same.
Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Apr 8, 2016 5:57 PM CST
Thanks Larry, I missed that part in Sue's post about the Daylily
Dictionary description being the current correct one.

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