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Name: Susan
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Tallulah_B
Apr 22, 2016 2:16 PM CST
https://www.ramadeals.com/products/25-rare-holland-rainbow-r...
$6 Cdn for 25 seeds. Do roses grow from seeds? I always thought they were only grown from grafts.
I would also think that seeds would take many years to get to any size and more years to produce flowers.
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greene
Apr 22, 2016 2:22 PM CST
Most likely a scam. Save your money.
http://watchdogmagazine.com/watchdogmagazinescam/rainbow-ros...
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plantladylin
Apr 22, 2016 2:25 PM CST
LOL, I agree ... it's a hoax.
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Name: Daisy
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DaisyI
Apr 22, 2016 2:55 PM CST
But here is a way to make your very own Rainbow Rose. We should probably label this "don't try this at home" Smiling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aKal3-RYBM

When you get done laughing, your other question was: Do roses grow from seed? Yes, but as seed always re-introduces some genetic diversity and not necessary what you thought it was going to be. Roses don't need to be grafted either. Those of us from colder areas look for self-rooted roses because they can die to the grown and come back up whatever they were supposed to be. Grafted roses, on the other hand, will come back up whatever the rootstock was. The most common rootstalk around here is from an old rambler rose named “Dr. Huey.”

You can take cuttings from your grafted roses and grow your own self-rooted roses.

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Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Apr 22, 2016 3:27 PM CST
Daisy ..

I hope you don't mind if I add a qualifier to your last statement.

If conditions are right for the rose you have taken cuttings from to grow own root and that particular cultivar has enough vigor to grow own own root, your statement is true. It depends on the rose.

It's impossible to make blanket statements about roses. I often quote Ralph Moore, a man who knew more about roses than almost anyone I've ever known who said, "As soon as you think you know everything about roses, along comes a rose to prove you wrong."

I think he was right.
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Name: Daisy
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DaisyI
Apr 22, 2016 3:33 PM CST
No, I don't mind at all. I was speaking based on my own experience in the San Joaquin Valley California Zone 8b. I used to take cuttings from my prunings in the fall, stick them in the ground where I wanted a new rose and put a canning jar on their heads. Most of them rooted and grew into large bushes.

Maybe I was just lucky. I started Azalea the same way. Smiling

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Name: Susan
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Tallulah_B
Apr 22, 2016 4:22 PM CST
yeah, sure sounded like a major scam - I may not be the best gardener in the world, nor a Master Gardener, but geeze - what people won't do to scam others, eh? So sad........... Sighing!
I wasn't going to spend any $$ on this - it was too obvious, but wanted to share what I saw. Nasty people, taking advantage of unsuspecting new gardeners! Angry Glare
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greene
Apr 22, 2016 4:33 PM CST
It is good that you made a post about the rose scam so others can learn. Good thing you were smart enough not to fall for it. Thumbs up

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plantladylin
Apr 22, 2016 5:25 PM CST
I remember when the the bright blue Phalaenopsis (Moth Orchid) and then a bright purple began appearing on the market ... everyone was oohing and aahing and buying them like crazy. A non-gardening acquaintance gave me a blue one about four years ago and I couldn't bring myself to tell her that subsequent blooms would be white. She just thought it was the most beautiful blue orchid ever and it was ... for one bloom cycle. Green Grin! http://blueorchid.org/the-mystique-of-the-blue-phal.html
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Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Apr 22, 2016 5:45 PM CST
Daisy ...

Thanks for not taking offense. I've done the same thing, too. However, now that I am living in a different climate those very same cultivars didn't perform the same way up here and truly humbled me ... *Blush*

That's when I learned to be a bit more cautious about MY blanket statments... Sighing!
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Tallulah_B
Apr 22, 2016 6:32 PM CST
Thank You! Daisy and everyone else who have responded
I know that at some point everything needs to grow from seed, but this whole Rainbow Rose thing really has me steamed.
I also know that people do things "because they can", which falls into the same category as hackers, and I wonder really - how many noobie gardeners fall for this trap. I'm sure more than we'd like to think of. I hope some who don't know better are asking qualified gardeners and greenhouses about anything they're not sure of, plant & flower-wise. Sighing!
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Name: Lyn
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RoseBlush1
Apr 22, 2016 7:32 PM CST
Susan ...

I don't know how to stop it. I have even seen the same junk on Amazon. I reported it there. I haven't bothered to check back to see if they got all of it off.

The only roses that grow true to seed are species roses. Depending upon which expert you talk to or read, there are about 200 species roses world wide. The anatomy of species roses are such that they generally have five petals. I am using the word generally because I have not studied all species roses and have heard that some have four petals, but I am not certain and am too tired to do the research tonight.

As long as people are going to run scams and people don't know anything about species roses, even if the scammers are selling rose seeds from non-species roses, the noobie gardeners are going to get taken.

That's just roses. Think how many other plants they can use for scams. Sad
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Name: Susan
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Tallulah_B
Apr 22, 2016 7:38 PM CST
Yes, more than roses, which is why I mentioned computer hackers - people do these things, because they Can (know how to, too much time on their hands, and have that frame & turn of mind). Thumbs down
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Name: Susan
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Tallulah_B
Apr 22, 2016 7:43 PM CST
@DaisyI I posted the ad, and the debunk that you posted here,
I hope that someone would see it, that would normally just go and buy the seeds. It's a start...... Shrug!
Susan
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greene
Apr 23, 2016 11:38 AM CST
The "Rainbow Roses" are created by osmosis (we learned about this in grade school science class). Here is a simple tutorial. If you have white or very light colored roses you can make these at home. Almost as much fun as dying Easter eggs!
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Rainbow-Rose
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cwhitt
Apr 26, 2016 10:41 AM CST
If it was legitimate, the big companies, like Jackson and Perkins, would also be offering it. I think they are banking on the fact that seeds wont reach maturity, and if they do, it will take so long that you will no longer be able to find their company. Thumbs down
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Name: Susan
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Tallulah_B
Apr 26, 2016 11:17 AM CST
I don't know the company Jackson and Perkins, and I'm willing to bet noobie gardeners wouldn't either. Sticking tongue out
Looking at this scam company's site, they sure "tick all the boxes" for looking legit, but I knew that they weren't simply because of the product they were trying to "push". Sighing!
I noticed that they don't have the BBB logo, and that's something I look for. I don't buy online much at all. Too skeptical....... which is a good thing Hilarious!

Whatever the seeds are that they send, it would take a long time to show any signs of what they are, and yes - maybe won't reach maturity anyway. Thumbs down
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