Wow! Thanks so much for sharing! Made my day to see such far-away babies.

It's interesting how similar the L. leichtlinii x 'Strawberries and Cream' and 'Citronella' x 'Latvia' seedlings appear. Certainly lends weight to the possibility that our commercial leichtlinii is actually a selection of 'Citronella'. And the tangos can knock almost all the spots off them!

Can I guess that 'Citronella' x 'Latvia' x Tasmania means some pollen from those first two seedlings has been spread around?

The resemblance is remarkable. In fact I was going to ask something about the cross with Citronella with your first mention, Pard; You answered it already. I don't grow either of them, but from pics it had seemed to me that the color of the flecking on Strawberries and Cream is more red, and decidedly more brown on Latvia. Yet the color on each of the two different hybrids are the same! So now I surmise that either/and:

--- the fleck color is indeed the same, but its human perception is influence by the background color.
--- the background color is bleeding through
--- there is some color blocking going on. White "genes" seem to have more of such a tendency.

Roosterlorn said:And most of the time, the color or colors of a freshly dug bulb can tell you a lot about the ancestry, too. For instance, I can tell whether a Trumpet is true Div. VI, whether registered or not, if there is some Oriental blood present ---and there's quite a few that do!

Thinking about your comment while digging some trumpet bulbs. I dug and moved a Golden Splendor and the bulb was pure purple. I dug about a dozen Pink Perfection and they are yellowish with purple color on the upper part of the bulbs. Does that means the PPs has some oriental in their genes?

Rick, as I recall, the fleck color on Della's two L. leichtlinii seedlings were indeed different. I believe the one on the right was a bit redder. Will evaluate again next year.

A couple more seedlings of my own that bloomed this summer:

Sdlg #13-16-2: Citronella x sdlg #GH-A-14:


Sdlg 13-25: (Citronella x Latvia) x George Slate


Tropical Isle x Sim's sdlg after a cool night:


Gotta get Moby's Swan Dive in here (actually a Halinar sdlg) I love the red pollen on this sdlg:

sgardener said:

Thinking about your comment while digging some trumpet bulbs. I dug and moved a Golden Splendor and the bulb was pure purple. I dug about a dozen Pink Perfection and they are yellowish with purple color on the upper part of the bulbs. Does that means the PPs has some oriental in their genes?

Yes, there's a likelihood that Oriental blood has sneaked in somewhere in time with Pink Perfection. Although the original bulbs my not have been totally purple ( Lilium leucanthum var. centifolium X L. sargentiae), but the original flowers had a green throat whereas the present day Pink Perfection have a orange/yellow throat. There were at least 3 pollen parents used over the years at OBF, the latest being pollen from the Mabel Violet Group where some of the parentage is questionable. Also interesting is that when OBF realized the color was widening, they went back and asked their biggest retailers like the original Inter-State Nurseries and Wayside Gardens to contact some of the earliest buying customers and have them collect pollen from some early production so it could be reintroduced, hopfully to tighten the color range. When you look at Pink Perfections being sold in Eastern Europe and Russia today, the flower color has a different tone about it than those being sold here; similar to Don Egger's selection but different from Jan de Graaff's selection.

Your Golden Splendor bulb color is typical original, probably because it hasn't been 'monkeyed up'. Only the red mahogany reverse of the flower has been lost. When somebody tries to introduce some red back onto the reverse, look for the bulb to change color too.

Leftwood said:The resemblance is remarkable. In fact I was going to ask something about the cross with Citronella with your first mention, Pard; You answered it already. I don't grow either of them, but from pics it had seemed to me that the color of the flecking on Strawberries and Cream is more red, and decidedly more brown on Latvia. Yet the color on each of the two different hybrids are the same! So now I surmise that either/and:

--- the fleck color is indeed the same, but its human perception is influence by the background color.
--- the background color is bleeding through
--- there is some color blocking going on. White "genes" seem to have more of such a tendency.

What about the affects surface texture on color reflectivity?. Any relationship here?

You guys never cease to amaze me with your knowledge and history. And to be able to recall it all. Names places and dates. Literally a living lily museum

Roosterlorn said:What about the affects surface texture on color reflectivity?. Any relationship here?

Oh that, too, yes. There would be no reason to discount that!

Looking good, Connie!

Here's a pic of Strawberries and Cream, for any help it may be curious minds. :)

I did it right this time and labeled as I planted. I'm trying out a marker called "garden marker" see how well it holds up

Nice and tidy, not at all like my gardens.

But my poker hand is better: I'll see your not mowing the lawn for 1 week, and raise you to 3....

Rick, we have had so much rain this fall it's crazy. Over 8 inches in September alone. When I have time off from work it's raining, or I have to play taxi for the kids. Oh well. It will get done tomorrow. I'll have the boy do it otherwise. It is suppose to be his chore. Lol

I wouldn't quite call it nice and neat though. Lol I'll have to get some compost down here soon then get some straw ready for cover for the winter.

I'll have to take a closer look at this one next year.

Papillae

I'm pretty sure those would be termed more correctly as fimbriate projections, not that it really matters. But there are a few of us here who might care, so I mention it. Papillae are more nub-like. Information about the differences is incredibly scarce, but they must be separate at least in some ways since the Flora of China list some lily species as having one or the other, or both. And this is from the first "edition" of the massive treatise, so it is not just the Chinese way of thinking. The first release was a collaboration of world botanists. I don't even know if they do or do not originate from the same floral anatomical part. I bring it up here so there will be more than just my own eyes and ears scanning for answers....

I really like the deep color of these OT lilies. These three cultivars are all new to my garden for this year.


'Douglas'. Not the largest flower, but more graceful than most in this segment and the flowers seem a little more side facing (at least the bottom ones) than most of the Dutch OT lilies.


'Formia'. Almost a true red


'Carbonero' and 'Carbonero' with friends, a mix of LO lilies. That mix should have contained specific cultivars, but for the most part it was something else.

Even with the colder summers here, some OT lilies colors fade a lot from the sun and warmth, but so far these are okay . Much better than for instance 'Robina', 'On Stage' or 'Saltarello'. With the exception of 'Formia' that was in a bit cooler spot, they have all taken some afternoon sun although they don't get full sun all day.

Thanks Rick, it's fascinating (and exciting) to know that there are two different anatomical things going on. More possibilities! And what a wonderful term: "fimbriate projections"! I wish I had some! Can I be reincarnated as a lily?

Edit: nice pics William!

Well, that just it: I actually don't know for sure if they are different anatomically, or just gradients of same anatomy. Not even sure when (or if) one stops being a papilla, and becomes a fimbriate projection. But those pics above would definitely be large enough to be fimbriate projections. I've thought about, and asked about, the whole conundrum for years. I wish it would have been in my mind waaaay back when our Minnesota Chapter of NARGS hosted the Director of the Flora of China project. I've searched the FOC for a glossary, and found a few, but none that address this.

The deepening mystery of the fimbriate projections!

Roosterlorn said:I'll have to take a closer look at this one next year.

Just like I said-.