Plant ID forum: Flowering tree?

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Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
May 2, 2016 8:50 AM CST
This tree blooms after the cherry and pear trees. Anyone recognize this tree?


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sallysmom
May 2, 2016 11:37 AM CST
I am not good at this but the blossoms look like apple.
Name: Daisy
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
May 2, 2016 2:22 PM CST
I agree on both counts
springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
May 2, 2016 2:47 PM CST
well it is shaped strange, has it been wacked off and regrown? if so it could have re-sprouted from root stock, which means what is there is not what was grafted, if it was a grafted tree. I assume the tree grew by seed? because it is in a fence row and probably was not put there on purpose. If that's the case, the grafted thing isn't an issue. Cherry, pears, apples ect are just like other plants, some bloom early, some midseason or late. So you can't really go by that entirely. Has it ever had fruit? Some need pollinators, some are self pollinating. If the tree has never had fruit, it may need a pollinator. If that is the case you have to obtain a tree that has the same bloom season. An early blooming apple, will not pollinate a later blooming apple, because they have to bloom at the same time.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
May 2, 2016 4:16 PM CST
The flowers do look like apple, but the bark doesn't.

Cherry trees have glossier bark with horizontal bands while apples have more textured vertical ridging


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cherry+blossom&biw=1102&bi...

The only Malus I can find with bark similar is Malus floribunda.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cherry+blossom&biw=1102&bi...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Malus+floribunda&source=ln...
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 2, 2016 4:36 PM CST
I found a Crabapple called ‘Adirondack’ which is supposed to be tough, has "strongly upright branching" and medium-green leaves.

http://www.midwestliving.com/garden/ideas/20-tough-trees-for...

http://www.chicagobotanic.org/plantinfo/tree_alternatives/ad...

https://ww3.haverford.edu/arboretum/tour/tour-01.php

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=crabapple+%E2%80%98Adirond...




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springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
May 2, 2016 5:44 PM CST
have you tried peeling a wee bit of bark and smelling the wood?
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
May 2, 2016 8:35 PM CST
Frillylily said:have you tried peeling a wee bit of bark and smelling the wood?


No. What smell am I looking for?
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Frillylily
May 2, 2016 9:18 PM CST
well, if it is a cherry, it smells, like ... cherry. At least the ones we had did. We had those huge black cherry ones though. I agree the bark looks like cherry moreso than apple.
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Frillylily
May 2, 2016 9:21 PM CST
Frank, you still haven't said if the tree is natural or planted? or if it has grown that way naturally or been cut off and regrown? If that is the case, then the shape is not what it really should be. When cutting a tree off, they often sprout like crazy from the stump and regrow albeit in a shape that it otherwise would not have.
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
May 3, 2016 4:04 AM CST
Frillylily said:Frank, you still haven't said if the tree is natural or planted? or if it has grown that way naturally or been cut off and regrown? If that is the case, then the shape is not what it really should be. When cutting a tree off, they often sprout like crazy from the stump and regrow albeit in a shape that it otherwise would not have.


I do not know if I planted it or not. My guess is that it has been there ~15 years or so... which is before I started keeping good records.

Name: Sue
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sooby
May 3, 2016 4:41 AM CST
Frillylilly, there are trees that have an upright habit (fastigiate) even though the "regular" tree shape is normal, although maybe that's what you were thinking, wasn't sure? An example that came to mind when I looked at Frank's picture was Prunus serrulata 'Amanogawa' but the flowers don't look right, they do indeed look more like an apple. The bark would be closer with cherry though, as Janet mentioned.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=prunus+amanogawa&client=safar...
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 3, 2016 5:14 AM CST
Malus:

Bark on young trees is reddish grey with conspicuous pores (lenticels).


http://canadiantreetours.org/species-pages/Common_apple.html

If the tree had been cut back then it would produce multiple new trunks. I'm not sure 15 years would be considered young if it hasn't been cut back.

If it is Crabapple ‘Adirondack’ we don't know it's parentage, this tree is a well used variety in Chicago so it's not far away.

It seems crabapples do have bark like this, look at the bark on Malus 'Pink Spires'..

http://www.smith.edu/gardens/bgilib/web/imageFrameset.php?la...
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sooby
May 3, 2016 5:24 AM CST
It looks to still have a thick trunk at the base, maybe Frank could post a picture so we can see the base of the tree more clearly, unless it's obscured by leaves now?
Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
May 3, 2016 11:14 AM CST
sooby said:It looks to still have a thick trunk at the base, maybe Frank could post a picture so we can see the base of the tree more clearly, unless it's obscured by leaves now?


Here is the base of the tree...


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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 3, 2016 11:54 AM CST
Look at the mature bark of Malus sieboldii .. it resembles the mature bark in the last photos.

https://davisla.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/malus-sieboldii/

Also look at the young bark, it looks the same as the out of focus younger branch in the last pic of the three.

https://gobotany.newenglandwild.org/species/malus/sieboldii/

More photos of flowers ... compare the young stems the flowers are on, they look the same.

http://stories.rbge.org.uk/archives/tag/malus
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 3, 2016 12:11 PM CST
University of Michigan:

Malus sieboldii - "Fields, fencerows, and forest edges"

http://michiganflora.net/species.aspx?id=2820

Note that only some have trilobed leaves.

The spread of alien crabapples into the wild appears to be a recent phenomenon. But they are clearly increasingly spreading from cultivation and are now a characteristic feature of old fields near urban areas.


http://michiganflora.net/genus.aspx?id=Malus

Note the key on the above link.
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Name: Frank Richards
Clinton, Michigan

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frankrichards16
May 4, 2016 4:20 AM CST
Malus sieboldii seems like the best choice.

Will the fruit tell us more?
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
May 4, 2016 4:58 AM CST
It could be a cross, but if it's a straight species the fruits should look like those at Kew Gardens:

https://davisla.wordpress.com/2013/11/10/malus-sieboldii/

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