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CLAYBYRD
May 3, 2016 2:25 PM CST
This is a tree in west central Florida near the Gulf. I have been trying for a while to identify this tree, but with no luck. I hope someone might be able to help. Thanks.
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Name: Leslieray Hurlburt
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HamiltonSquare
May 3, 2016 4:23 PM CST
Wow! That's a very interesting araingment of the branches coming of the trunk. A big clue in the ID process. Hmmm. .....2hrs later. I'm stumped.
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AlyssaBlue
May 3, 2016 4:37 PM CST
It's like the tree is obsessive compulsive and has to have its branches in a line....can't wait to hear what this one is I'm all ears!
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greene
May 3, 2016 5:04 PM CST
Was this tree on someone;s property? or in a botanical garden? or growing in the wild?
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Leftwood
May 3, 2016 7:30 PM CST
Each one of those "branches" is a single, doubly compound leaf.
(Except for that little stub in the bottom left of the second photo that is out of focus. That one is a branch.)
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HamiltonSquare
May 3, 2016 8:04 PM CST
I have been searching with the term bi-pinnately compound leaf in every combination I could think off. No branches. All odd. Some fibonacci sequence in the leaves with only one at any level horizontally but in four ranks vertically in a very well ordered spiral around the trunk.
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DogsNDaylilies
May 3, 2016 8:10 PM CST
Welcome, Clay! Welcome!

The leaves remind me of aspen leaves, even though I typically associate aspen with drier regions... I'm searching 'columnar aspen' with various other search terms to see if I find anything.
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AlyssaBlue
May 3, 2016 8:50 PM CST
Leftwood- do you think it's a stalk, not a trunk?

Claybyrd: What does the base of the "tree" look like?
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CLAYBYRD
May 4, 2016 6:28 AM CST
The tree appears to not be able to grow anything out of place. The small stub looks to me like another leaf forming out of the same hole as a previously fallen leaf/branch. I will have to have a closer look at the base; it is covered by tall grass. This could have been an old village or yard because of the debris around, so it is hard to say if it is wild. But, I have not seen anything like this growing anywhere else. Another thing about it, is it has 4 sets of the leaves perfectly spaced on each side from top to bottom just like the 2 sets that are visible in the picture.
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JRsbugs
May 4, 2016 7:07 AM CST
I'm working on this, it doesn't look real!

I found something interesting on google books but I'm not sure if it helps. Under the heading of "Adaptive significance of compound leaves"

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oxT1M8-bu3IC&pg=PA371&lp...

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Name: James
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JamesAcclaims
May 4, 2016 7:14 AM CST
Wow, this tree has me completely stumped.
I am not an early bird or a night owl--I am some form of permanently exhausted pigeon
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JRsbugs
May 4, 2016 7:23 AM CST
Maybe this is a clue, the Devil's Walking stick with huge compound leaves attached to the stem, the leaves look very similar.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Aralia+spinosa&source=lnms...
Name: Alyssa Blue
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AlyssaBlue
May 4, 2016 7:57 AM CST
Janet, I too thought it looked fake. Almost like a camera or cell tower disguised as a tree. In AZ, they put cameras inside fake cactus along the road. But the leaves on this tree were what threw me, because they do look real.
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JRsbugs
May 4, 2016 8:01 AM CST
Close to Heteropanax fragrans ..

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Heteropanax&source=lnms&tb...

http://www.greenworld-nursery.com/images/virescence%20trees/...

Alyssa, on close study it does look real but unreal! Hilarious!
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plantmanager
May 4, 2016 8:15 AM CST
This is so unusual! @AlyssaBlue, I also thought of the fake cell tower trees, but it looks much to real, and there's no tower! I know you all will figure it out. I've never seen anything like it.
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CLAYBYRD
May 4, 2016 9:34 AM CST
I really appreciate the help with this. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this is an unusual plant. Please let me know if I can provide anymore information or pictures. It is raining like crazy here, so it may be a while before I will be able to get pictures of the base so it can be determined if it has a stalk or trunk. There are some juveniles in the area I can take pics of if it will help. Also there are no thorns on this plant.
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plantmanager
May 4, 2016 9:38 AM CST
I hope your rain will stop soon. It would be interesting to see the base. I'm going to suggest that @Dutchlady1 takes a look at this. She may have some ideas about it.



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sooby
May 4, 2016 9:40 AM CST
Claybird, do all the plants have that unusually symmetrical branch arrangement?
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CLAYBYRD
May 4, 2016 9:50 AM CST
sooby - do all the plants have that unusually symmetrical branch arrangement?
Yes they do.
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JamesAcclaims
May 4, 2016 10:14 AM CST
CLAYBYRD said:Yes they do.


That is so strange. I really want to know what this is now. Curiouser and curiouser.
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