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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
May 10, 2016 4:00 PM CST
Hello wondering if anyone has info about this semp, it isn't in the database and I want to figure out what it is before creating an entry, maybe it is just a different name for another semp.
Any info is appreciated
Wolfgang have you heard of this one?
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 10, 2016 5:24 PM CST

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I can't find anything on an S. grandiflorum kestonii, or S. grandiflorum 'Kestonii'.

I did find this on Horst site.
- grandiflorum 'Kestonensis'= Kultivar S. 'Keston'

On the sempervivum-liste.de
http://sempervivum-liste.de/Sempervivum/Keston
Name: Wolfgang Bleicher
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turini
May 10, 2016 5:26 PM CST
Same to me. Didn't find more than Lynn
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 10, 2016 5:47 PM CST

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Where is this semp you are look at Greg?
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
May 10, 2016 7:39 PM CST
I have it from Jo Ann (Ricos) which is why I was curious because same for me, no info about it. But mine doesn't look like those at all...I'll wait and see what JoAnn replies regarding the semp. I think she got it from Wayne here in Olympia and he may have info about it.
Thanks Lynn and Wolfgang
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 10, 2016 8:18 PM CST

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Name: Patty
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Patty
May 10, 2016 8:53 PM CST
I tell myself I will always ck Horst before I buy and get burned. But I did it again - bought Dea - oh yeah, I've heard of that one! Well, what I've heard is probably that it's a NOID. Nothing on it anywhere. Glare
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 10, 2016 10:33 PM CST

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Here you go Patty. Looks like it might be one of those offshore type things. Maybe you can contact ForemostCo, Inc.
http://www.foremostco.com/

http://www.foremostco.com/ForemostCo%20Catalogs%20&%20Market...
https://www.canningperennials.com/acatalog/Sempervivum--Dea-...
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
May 10, 2016 11:42 PM CST
Lynn what do you mean by 'Offshore type things'?
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 10, 2016 11:50 PM CST

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http://www.foremostco.com/about_us.aspx

It is almost impossible to track down information on just where the semp originated from and if it is actually a new cultivar, or just a renamed semp.
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
May 11, 2016 1:40 AM CST
I guess this leads to a larger question. If nurseries are selling something called 'DEA' but it was originally called "blah blah" but now everyone knows the plant as 'DEA' then why not have a database entry for this new name. For example 'Silver King' I'm pretty sure the one at all the stores that is green and red (nothing silver about it) is incorrectly named but because so many people know this clone to be 'Silver King' we think of it as this, even though I'm pretty sure the real 'Silver King' is probably the fuzzy greenish white one which could look silver...I know none of us like what these large scale nurseries are doing, they are only interested in selling plants and not in keeping any kind of history or record of what the clones actually are - in a way this is what Chris Hansen is doing with his 'chick gems' - creating new and fancy names for the same old clones - although he is keeping track of what the real names are so our database can do the 'Also sold as' thing...my point, after rambling, sorry, is that we may as well add these ones to the database, since they are in the market and people will have them. 'DEA' is being sold at my Fred Meyer, which tells me it is probably being sold in many places, and we probably won't ever ID what it used to be called.
It seems a far greater problem for the database is having incorrect photos for clones we know.
And I think we are doing a great job of trying to stay on top of that!! This is just my opinion.
And also - great idea to contact whoever is responsible for 'DEA' because they may know what semp it really is (as you suggested Lynn) I tip my hat to you.
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gg5
May 11, 2016 2:58 PM CST
Hey Jo Ann wondering if you have any info on grandiflorum Kestonii thank you @Ricos
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Name: Patty
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Patty
May 12, 2016 12:46 AM CST
I agree Greg I tip my hat to you. I wasn't sure what off shore meant either - off shore bank accounts is all that came to mind Whistling I wrote the 2 companies you gave me, Lynn, but I doubt I'll hear anything. So can my Dea not be a NOID? Pretty please? Thumbs up
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Name: Jo Ann Mc Brayer
NW Oregon (Zone 8a)
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ricos
May 12, 2016 2:46 AM CST
Greg,, does the tag on the one you got from me really say Grandiflorum Keastonii ??
I have always thought the name was Grandiflora Keaston. Keastonii with a capital K would be totally incorect for a species which I don't think that it is. I have had it for many years and Wayne still has it too
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It clumps up fairly quickly and looks like a big bunch of flowers. The green one in the photo is a sport or reversion. I don't know which but it is an awsome shade of green and I would not mind seeing one in football size Hilarious! I certainly am planning to incrrease the green one too.
It's dark outside now or I would go and have a look at the label. It could be that the printer messed up. It would not be the first time. I'll check it tomorrow. I do not know any of the history of this plant. let's keep looking.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 12, 2016 4:58 AM CST

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Jo Ann, are the leaves fuzzy? I can't tell from the photo.
There is a semp with the cultivar name of S. grandiflorum 'Keston'.
Name: Jo Ann Mc Brayer
NW Oregon (Zone 8a)
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ricos
May 12, 2016 4:00 PM CST
Ok Guys the mystery just gets deeper. I think that when i got this originally from Wayne it may have been grandiflorum Keston. We both get tags from the same place and i am not saying who messed up but Grandiflorum Kestonii is rediculous. Keston is a town in England not someone's name and the species grandiflorum is green with tips. It does have the same shape and growth pattern which makes me think that the grandiflorum part is probably right and it may have been named for the town in England however to just further complicate things mine is not hairy at all but very smooth and shiny. I'm going to keep looking into this
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
May 12, 2016 4:48 PM CST

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Definitely not a grandiflorum then. Sad
And it should have pale yellow or whitish/green flowers, depending on which grandiflorum it is.


You might want to talk to Wayne and see if he has records on his semp that might help to track down what it is.
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
May 12, 2016 4:51 PM CST
Lynn that is what I originally attempted to search for, and I'm unable to locate it in the database. I'm assuming that is what this is, since Jo Ann that is the name you knew it as also...but @Valleylynn, please let me know how to locate this in the database...Thanks both of you
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Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
May 12, 2016 4:52 PM CST
Sorry Lynn we cross posted - I see that what I have isn't a grandiflorum so I'll wait and see what news!
Thanks
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
May 12, 2016 5:00 PM CST

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@gg5
Greg, Jo Ann's semp is not S. 'Keston'. If that is where you got yours it is not correct.
S. 'Keston' is not in our database. I don't know if it is even in the U.S. at this time.
This is what it should look like: http://sempervivum-liste.de/Sempervivum/Keston

And this is all that is know about it.
Breeder unknown / named by Alan C. Smith / GB / parent. grandiflorum / syn. 'Leave's Gree'
Nothing about the circumstances of where he found it or anything. Could even be one of the already identified S. grandiflorum.

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