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Name: Linda
Omaha, N.E (Zone 5b)
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freedombel
May 15, 2016 7:51 PM CST
Are roses this time of year suppose to start taking off? All of mine are just twigs with tiny new leaf growth, I thought by now they are suppose to of gained height, bushiness and form buds?
You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because they have roses!
Name: Amanda
KC metro area, Missouri (Zone 6a)
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pepper23
May 15, 2016 7:54 PM CST
They should. You aren't that far north of me ( a few hours) and all mine are bushed out, and in some cases blooming. It is strange yours aren't doing anything yet.
Name: Linda
Omaha, N.E (Zone 5b)
Always room to plant one more!
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freedombel
May 15, 2016 7:58 PM CST
Out of 5 not anything going on, maybe I need the soil checked, but we have had them planted right where they are the past 2 years and it
seemed like in the past they were beginning to look like roses about this time of year.
You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because they have roses!
Name: Amanda
KC metro area, Missouri (Zone 6a)
Region: Missouri Cat Lover Dog Lover
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pepper23
May 15, 2016 8:18 PM CST
A top dressing of compost won't hurt them. Maybe that will give them the jump they need.
Name: Linda
Omaha, N.E (Zone 5b)
Always room to plant one more!
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freedombel
May 15, 2016 8:26 PM CST
pepper23 said:A top dressing of compost won't hurt them. Maybe that will give them the jump they need.


Guess I will shovel ot some compost tomorrow and put it all around the roses, nothing to lose and maybe something gained I hope. I told my
husband I just feel like gigging them all out and putting in something completely different....me being frustrated!, and impatient
You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because they have roses!
Name: Linda
Omaha, N.E (Zone 5b)
Always room to plant one more!
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freedombel
May 16, 2016 3:24 PM CST
Did not get to shovel compost into roses today, is raining and muddy, I did however go buy a Chrysler Imperial rose today and it will get
planted, composted and babied when the mud goes away. Here are my roses, this was LAST June, so maybe they will take off and do
me well in June, at least they have new leaves coming in now.

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You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because they have roses!
Name: Linda
Omaha, N.E (Zone 5b)
Always room to plant one more!
Cat Lover Birds Region: Nebraska Butterflies Hummingbirder Garden Ideas: Level 1
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freedombel
May 19, 2016 3:48 PM CST
freedombel said:Are roses this time of year suppose to start taking off? All of mine are just twigs with tiny new leaf growth, I thought by now they are suppose to of gained height, bushiness and form buds?


LOL, I bought 4 roses, 3 were bare root and one good size one in a pot, we dug out tons of dirt and replaced with compost and potting soil,
and dug out 2 roses we figure are just dead...the ones that have zero little leaves sprouting, so fingers crossed, sad though, this was the
spring we were only in need of putting in 2 more to complete our rose garden, just want them to come back!!!! The one in the big pot I
bought was more than I usually pay, a Chrysler Imperial and it said cover with a rose cone, so I best do so when the time comes, and sadly
one of the rose bushes I bought for $49.99 from a nursery was beautiful last year, dug out dead this year, we came to the conclusion it
was likely to clay type soil with poor drainage and we hope with the new dirt and compost for better results. LOL, I even tossed a banana peel
and egg shell in each hole when we planted, hope they like the snacks.
You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because they have roses!
Name: Amanda
KC metro area, Missouri (Zone 6a)
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pepper23
May 19, 2016 5:50 PM CST
They like coffee and tea too. Hilarious!
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Cinta
May 24, 2016 8:28 PM CST
It sounds like you are buying Hybrid tea roses which are iffy at best for survival in our zone. Especially if you do not do heavy mulching.

I love Hybrid tea roses because I like the look. I do not like roses that look like a bunch of torn up tissue paper. But those are the ones that seem to survive our zone. I am considering buying Iceberg because people say it is pretty hardy.

I have been having great luck with those mini roses from the grocery store. I have been growing them on the patio in pots. The other favorite is Sunny knockout. It is the yellow knockout rose that is fragrant.
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Name: Linda
Omaha, N.E (Zone 5b)
Always room to plant one more!
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freedombel
May 25, 2016 5:20 PM CST
All my miniature roses along the side of the house fully bloomed, they come back first thing early in the season, LOL, maybe I should of just planted
tons of those in my rose garden. My husband is sad that his Lincoln rose did not seem to come back. All the new roses we planted are sprouting lots
of new leaves. BTW, I lived at another house across town and all the roses came back every year and I pretty much planted the same here and the
first few years they did well, but I think it was a soil situation that was not good enough to sustain them any more so hopefully our new mix helps, we
planted them in miracle grow potting soil mixed in with compost and the dirt is fluffier now, not so hard like it was.
You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because they have roses!
Name: Andi
Pocono Mountains, PA (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the first seed swap
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GardenQuilts
May 26, 2016 1:28 PM CST
Before you give up on roses, try own root roses. They do much better for me than the hybrid teas. you will find a better selection of own root roses at specialty nurseries like Chamblees. The larger online nurseries grow some roses own root, but don't always label that clearly in their catalogs and websites.

You can also look for floribunda and shrub roses in the local stores. I bought a couple in Home Depot last year. Many floribundas are grown on their won roots (you can peek in the pot for a graft, I do). My floribundas had very little die back and are doing great! I got Bolero (Confusing, there is also a Bolero hybrid tea) and Orchid Masterpiece.

One of the best things about having a smart phone, is being able to look up roses while shopping! I check them out on this site and at [url=www.helpmefind.com]www.helpmefind.com[/url]. I try to see if people in zones 5-6 have luck with any give rose before I buy it.If you like mini roses, you may have luck with the grocery store ones. They don't all survive zone 6 winters, but some do. My favorite is the red and white striped one. if you see that kind on sale on the plant shelf of the grocery store....
Name: Linda
Omaha, N.E (Zone 5b)
Always room to plant one more!
Cat Lover Birds Region: Nebraska Butterflies Hummingbirder Garden Ideas: Level 1
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freedombel
May 27, 2016 9:04 AM CST
When you talk about own root roses are you referring to the ones like I bought at Menards, they are bare root roses with the base wrapped in
brown paper?, that is what 95% of mine are. The other 5% is one I bought in a big pot already tall, leafy and with buds/
You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because they have roses!
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Cinta
May 27, 2016 8:41 PM CST
Linda own root do not have that hump between the stems and the root. I do not think any of the plants in the bags are own root except the Knockout roses.

I picked up a Mr Lincoln at the end of the season and it did not come back either but it was not in the best of health when I purchased but since it was so cheap I took a chance.

I have a fairy rose that has blooms on it from June until Sept. It is not fragrant but it is full of blooms and is so hardy it is at the edge of the driveway that gets lots of snow piled on it from the driveway and stays green all winter.

Name: Andi
Pocono Mountains, PA (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the first seed swap
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GardenQuilts
May 27, 2016 10:52 PM CST
Keep the receipt, pot and labels in case they don't survive the winter. You can return them. If you have a smart phone, check the zone rating on the rose online - this site or helpmefind. Local stores frequently sell plants that aren't winter hardy in our zones. Shame on them! It is depressing to dig up dead roses in the spring.

If the rose is a hybrid tea, it is probably grafted. If it says it is grade 1 or grade 1 1/2 it is grafted.

The roses wrapped in paper without soil are called bare root roses. None of my local stores carry them. Both grafted and own root roses can be sold bare root. Mail order nurseries like Edmunds, Jung, etc. sell roses bare root because they are cheaper to ship that way.

The roses in the "body bags" are not likely to do well. The worst of the lot are covered in wax. They bag the lower quality (grade 1 1/2) plants. They also cut off lots of the root mass to fit into the bag. If the bagged rose is really cheap and you really want that variety, it may be worth a try. I have wanted a Don Juan climbing red rose. It is a very common variety, but I haven't found it locally. I planted two bagged roses. I thought the first one I planted was dead so I bought another. Both are sending up canes this year. The two body bag roses were much less expensive than one rose from a mail order company. Perhaps it is a good idea to buy two and pant them close together. If you buy them from a store that offers returns and save the bag you can recoup your losses if they die.

Most hybrid tea roses are grafted. Canes from the fancy varieties are spliced into the roots of a different rose plant. They grade the quality of the grafted plant - grade 1 is best. Grade 1 1/2 is lower quality. This is the way traditional florist roses have been grown. Take a good look at the roots of the dead plants when you remove them. You will probably see the area where the canes were grafted onto the root stock.

Own root roses are grown from cuttings. The whole plant is the same rose. If a harsh winter kills the rose to the ground, it can come back from the roots. Shrub roses like the knockouts, miniature roses, species roses like rugusa roses and many antique roses are grown on their own roots.

I have gotten good own root roses from Chamblee's nursery. Another popular own root nursery is Roses Unlimited. My favorite rose purchased from Chamblee's is 'Honey Sweet'. It is classified as a shrub rose, but it has nice bud vase worthy blooms. It was bred by Dr. Buck who devoted his life to breeding disease resistant, cold hardy roses. The plants they ship are small - about the size of a starter tomato plant. That is typical for many own root rose nurseries. They may take a season to reach the size of the potted big box store roses.

Floribundas are sold own root or grafted. The ones I have seen in the local stores have been own root. Some are fragrant. They are easier to grow than the fussy hybrid teas. The plant produces masses of blooms. I think they look great in the garden.

Clay soil , wet springs and frequent freeze thaw cycles strain grafted roses. I had some roses split at the graft. If you have rocks with your clay like I do - huge rocks, boulders - it is hard to dig deep enough to bury the bud union (the area of the graft). One of my rose gardening friends online (in the rose group on this site) grows roses in Colorado. We both have cold climates, but hers is much drier and typically has more snow cover. Snow cover is good - free winter protection for your roses.. She has had less problems with grafted roses than I have. A fellow gardener in the Poconos grows her roses in raised beds. I can't imagine how many truckloads of topsoil they needed to sculpt their lovely gardens. It is a great option, but beyond my budget.

Most of the roses in the stores are grafted on Dr. Huey root stock. You can buy roses grafted to hardier root stocks from Canadian nurseries such as Pickering and Palentine's. I haven't bought from them, yet.

Queen Elizabeth, a pink grandiflora rose, is doing well for me. I bought it on sale in a pot at a local big box store last year. The canes had minimal die back. It is starting the second year in the garden and is 6' tall. This is a grafted rose, but it is doing very well.

I grow one "Canadian Explorer" rose called William Baffin. What a survivor! It can be grown as a climbing rose or a large shrub. The rose was bred to live in Canada. I don't even have to protect it for the winter (mine is own root). I have seen pictures of a lovely climbing red Canadian rose called Quadra. Neither are fragrant, but they are lovely.

I made a planting of red and red/white roses. I planted Chrysler Imperial. I wasn't impressed with it last year, but it has a bud already. I also planted Ingrid Bergman - it was gorgeous its first year, but the canes died back. I have a bit of fresh growth. I also planted Double Delight and Love. They are doing relatively well. They had significant die back, but fared better than the divas.

For what it is worth, I wish that I had bought a couple of the Romantica hybrid teas last year at Home Depot. The flower form is like the Austin roses, but the plants are bred by a French company. By the time I researched the plants and returned to buy them, they were out of stock!

I have been wanting to grow 'the Fairy'. I haven't seen it locally. It always seems to be out of stock when I look for it online.
Name: Linda
Omaha, N.E (Zone 5b)
Always room to plant one more!
Cat Lover Birds Region: Nebraska Butterflies Hummingbirder Garden Ideas: Level 1
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freedombel
May 28, 2016 8:06 AM CST
These roses are sure doing good, happy they came back! BTW, thanks to all for the advice.
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springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
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Frillylily
May 28, 2016 4:10 PM CST
Roses need rich well drained soil and pretty much full sun. they need mulched especially in the winter and I have never got a tea rose to live more than a couple of years.
Name: Andi
Pocono Mountains, PA (Zone 6a)
Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the first seed swap
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GardenQuilts
May 28, 2016 7:44 PM CST
"Tea" roses won't survive in zone 6.

"Hybrid Tea" roses might survive if you choose a cane hardy variety grafted on the appropriate rootstock and give it ample care and winter protection.

The terminology is a pet peeve of mine. I wish I could grow the antique tea roses that some southern rose gardeners grow. They are so fragrant! When we northern gardeners refer to our "hybrid tea" roses as "tea" roses we confuse our southern sisters (and brothers).
Name: Lyn
Weaverville, California (Zone 8a)
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RoseBlush1
May 28, 2016 8:03 PM CST
Linda ...

I've read this thread and am wondering if you may have a drainage problem where you are planting your hybrid teas, not just a hardiness and soil issues.

If your new roses do not come back next year, that may be the biggest problem you have in your garden. The only way to find out is to do a perk test before planting. It's too late to do one for the roses you've planted this year. What do I mean by a perk test ? You fill your planting hole with water and if it drains over night, you are OK. Rose literature says it should drain within two hours, but overnight works. If your rose hole doesn't drain overnight, that tells you that you do not have good drainage for your rose at that site in your garden. The anchor roots of the rose will be in standing water for too long.

When you back fill a deep rose hole, there is no need to use amended soil down deep because that is where the anchor roots are located. Your amended soil goes in the top portion of the planting hole where the rose's feeder roots are located. The feeder roots will supply the nutrients the anchor roots need to thrive. That saves you both work and money ... Smiling So, when you dig your planting hole, it doesn't need to be as wide at the base as it is at the top. You put all of the good stuff at the top and your rose will be happy.

All of the info is for next year. I am hoping that all of the work you have done this year is sufficient for your new roses to do well.
I'd rather weed than dust ... the weeds stay gone longer.
Pennsylvania (Zone 6b)
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Cinta
May 29, 2016 3:10 AM CST
Andi, I am going to air layer some Fairy Rose canes this week. I will lay some extra ones and send you a cutting. They root super easy. Some one sent me this one. He said he just cut the cane and stick them in the ground. I do not trust that in my hands I am not good at rooting or growing seeds. *Blush*
springfield MO area (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Plant Identifier
Frillylily
May 29, 2016 1:03 PM CST
GardenQuilts said:"Tea" roses won't survive in zone 6.

"Hybrid Tea" roses might survive if you choose a cane hardy variety grafted on the appropriate rootstock and give it ample care and winter protection.

The terminology is a pet peeve of mine. I wish I could grow the antique tea roses that some southern rose gardeners grow. They are so fragrant! When we northern gardeners refer to our "hybrid tea" roses as "tea" roses we confuse our southern sisters (and brothers).


They are the same thing to me. Neither will live here. The tea roses that are grafted, will die and the graft rose will take over. They always die after a couple of years. The humidity we get here is also a problem for most roses, I have just gave up on them. I have some knock outs and they do great, but I don't love them, they are not 'real' roses to me.

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