Roses forum: ID for the database help, please:-)

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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Sep 24, 2011 6:55 PM CST
Done This rose was found to be 'Alchymist'.


I feel so silly! I don't have enough roses to lose track of one! But, whatever.

I'd like to add this one to the DB if we can figure out which it is. It'll probably come to me right after I hit "send", but just in case...

I can't think of which many-petaled pink this would be? Any help appreciated:-)

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It was originally in my mind that it was 'Kazanlik', but it has too many petals.
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zuzu
Sep 24, 2011 7:33 PM CST

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Oh, my! What a pretty, pretty rose! It does have way too many petals to be Kazanlik and they're in such a tight arrangement -- nothing at all like the lax petals of Kazanlik. I can't begin to guess what it might be.
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chelle
Sep 24, 2011 8:12 PM CST
Possibly Agatha?

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Sep 24, 2011 8:42 PM CST

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It doesn't look anything like Agatha to me. Again, too many petals in too formal an arrangement.
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Sep 24, 2011 9:09 PM CST
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Sep 24, 2011 9:25 PM CST

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Wrong color for Sir John.
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chelle
Sep 24, 2011 10:25 PM CST
I'm having difficulty finding images of Agatha, although I'm pretty sure by now (by the process of elimination more than anything else), that this is the plant I received for it. I found one image for Agatha Incarnata that looks similar. However, the photo listed at the company's site that I ordered Agatha from doesn't really look like it.

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Sep 24, 2011 10:49 PM CST

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It doesn't really look like a Gallica to me. It looks more modern. Are you growing any hybrid perpetuals?
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Sep 24, 2011 11:49 PM CST
It looks a bit like a David Austin rose to me. Eglantyne ? Probably not: the petals cup too much.
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chelle
Sep 25, 2011 9:23 AM CST
zuzu said:It doesn't really look like a Gallica to me. It looks more modern. Are you growing any hybrid perpetuals?

Not that I'm aware of.

I've been looking over many, many photos of hybrid perpetuals and gallicas since first posting and I'm still uncertain.

I agree that Eglantyne looks similar, but it's still not clicking for me. My bloom looks flatter, doesn't it?

Here's the only other photos I have found in my stash that may in some way be helpful.


Leaves and stems. Not terribly thorny. Some smooth spaces between thorns are actually fairy large.
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This doesn't really give a very good idea of the shape of the plant, but I thought I'd post it anyway.
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okus
Sep 26, 2011 6:51 AM CST
It looks like a David Austin to me. The shape and form are very like A Shropshire Lad, but I think the colour is to deep a pink for that.

I think its too tight and full for Eglantyne - this is my Eglantine which is a climbing version

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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Sep 26, 2011 7:34 AM CST
Carol,

I think A Shropshire Lad is more fully cupped than this one (this rose appears flatter to me), but it is a climber and it's about 9 feet tall right now. I have new pictures of the plant in the camera. I'll post a current one shortly. No blooms, however; it may be a once-bloomer.

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Sep 26, 2011 10:39 AM CST
Could it be Blairii No 2? Some descriptions call it cupped, but some pictures show it as quite flat.
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chelle
Sep 26, 2011 1:40 PM CST
Not sure about Blairii No. 2 either.

But.....aha! I think I've figured out why I have no paper trail on this plant. I do believe it was a freebie "extra" from RVR. They have several of this (similar at least) style of medium pink rose in their listings.

......and the search continues....

My camera battery is charged, let's see what I have on it.

BB in a bit.
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chelle
Sep 27, 2011 12:49 PM CST
Might be closing in on this one. I finally found a rose bloom that looks very close, at least to me. Now, to get the color match.
http://www.rose-gardening-made-easy.com/sombreuil-rose.html



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What do you think? Do they look similar?
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Sep 27, 2011 3:43 PM CST
They do indeed! How does the size compare?
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Calif_Sue
Sep 27, 2011 3:51 PM CST

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Yes, your rose has that old fashioned look to it like Sombreuil. Rose (Rosa 'Sombreuil')
but their info is wrong on that page, it's not a Tea Noisette rose.
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Sep 28, 2011 12:13 PM CST
How about Anne Boleyn? Starts out cupped, but looks to flatten out as it ages..?

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Sep 28, 2011 1:07 PM CST
Anne's petals look to me to be shaped a little differently.

My Abraham Darby has some blooms that resemble the mystery rose but not enough petals.

It is funny; when I first saw the original post, I thought there would be dozens of roses that would fit the description, but there aren't at all!
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Name: Michele Roth
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chelle
Sep 28, 2011 7:27 PM CST
porkpal said:Anne's petals look to me to be shaped a little differently.

My Abraham Darby has some blooms that resemble the mystery rose but not enough petals.

It is funny; when I first saw the original post, I thought there would be dozens of roses that would fit the description, but there aren't at all!
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I agree with you, Porkpal. I thought there would be plenty of roses shaped like this one, but there doesn't seem to be.

The ones I've found the most of that seem close are old-fashioned roses. I started following a 'Cecile Brunner' trail.....I haven't yet finished.

Maybe a "mystery" rose is called that for a very good reason. Big Grin



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