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May 27, 2016 8:24 PM CST
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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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Leslie, good to know! I have good familiarity with names of daylily hybridizers, but I know nothing of iris hybridizers yet. I really like fragrant flowers, so I'll be keeping your nugget of information about Burseen handy! I tip my hat to you.
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May 27, 2016 9:29 PM CST
Name: Sherry Austin
Santa Cruz, CA (Zone 9a)
Birds Bulbs Region: California Dragonflies Foliage Fan Irises
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Definitely not Pretty Pansy. Too big for Rheingauperle... ??
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May 27, 2016 9:38 PM CST
Name: Celia
West Valley City, Utah (Zone 7a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Irises Plant Identifier Hummingbirder Birds
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Cat Lover Butterflies Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Here's my Rheingauperle for comparison.

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May 28, 2016 5:53 AM CST
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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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Zencat said:Here's my Rheingauperle for comparison.




@Zencat
I was going through iris listings last night and came across Rheingauperle and thought that was a very likely candidate, so I'll be a little surprised if it isn't. How big is Rheingauperle? I'll try to measure mine accurately today to try and help solve the mystery.

(Again, considering the lady was giving away large chunks of this for free to a bunch of people--she had probably 1/4 truckload of it--at a local plant swap, I don't suspect it's a newer or fancier iris... It's likely to be something common that has been around awhile.)
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May 28, 2016 6:15 AM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
Beekeeper Region: Illinois Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I don't think it's Rheingauperle......I'd rather think it's one of the i. pallida clones. The plant height is way too short for a pallida....but, that can be explained(maybe) by "first year" growth, or weather....everything here is blooming "off " this year. Aroma sounds wrong foe a pallida, as well, they usually have quite a bit of 'scent' .....a "grape soda" smell. Shrug! You might do some looking here :
http://irisparadise.com/Iris/i...

or here:
http://wiki.irises.org/bin/vie...
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May 28, 2016 6:17 AM CST
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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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I took about ten pictures with the measuring tape, here are several of them:

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May 28, 2016 6:26 AM CST
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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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crowrita1 said:I don't think it's Rheingauperle......I'd rather think it's one of the i. pallida clones. The plant height is way too short for a pallida....but, that can be explained(maybe) by "first year" growth, or weather....everything here is blooming "off " this year. Aroma sounds wrong foe a pallida, as well, they usually have quite a bit of 'scent' .....a "grape soda" smell. Shrug! You might do some looking here :
http://irisparadise.com/Iris/i...

or here:
http://wiki.irises.org/bin/vie...


Arlyn, thank you for the links. The first one was a little tougher because it's in German and I don't have much time at the moment to work my way through it; but the second link, which i followed to here http://wiki.irises.org/bin/vie... , looks spot on, from the dry, papery bracts to the sweet scent to the nearly identical photos. Now that I seem to know the overall species, time to see if there is a cultivar name associated with mine...

Species Pallida...
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May 28, 2016 1:27 PM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
Beekeeper Region: Illinois Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
There is an "English" button at the top, on the Iris paradise page.....that helps a lot! The only German word I know is "frankfurter" Sticking tongue out
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May 28, 2016 3:36 PM CST
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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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I know erdbeer (strawberry--came in handy when making quark), how to count to three, guten tag, bitten, and dankeshin

That's about it. Whistling
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May 28, 2016 3:39 PM CST
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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
Daylilies Dog Lover Houseplants Organic Gardener I helped beta test the first seed swap Celebrating Gardening: 2015
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@zencat and @henhouse

Would you still agree it's too big for Rheingauperle?

Any new ideas?

It appears the height is 16", the bloom height is about 4".
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May 28, 2016 4:26 PM CST
Name: Lloyd
Oregon
Region: Ukraine
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May 28, 2016 4:41 PM CST
Name: Celia
West Valley City, Utah (Zone 7a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Photography Irises Plant Identifier Hummingbirder Birds
Celebrating Gardening: 2015 Cat Lover Butterflies Enjoys or suffers cold winters
I don't have enough info about mine to answer that, DBD. It's new for me.

Dogrose doesn't have the whitish shoulders that the NOID does.
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May 28, 2016 4:52 PM CST
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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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I found a couple that look very similar:

1) Great Lakes Iris (This one would make a lot of sense since I live near it's origin of Ann Arbor, MI. The website: http://www.oldhousegardens.com... , says it smells like magnolias, but I don't know how magnolias smell, for now I can only confirm that it smells sweet.) Trouble is, the Great Lakes Iris is supposed to be about double the height of mine. Mine does have the maroon spots/veins like this one, though.



2) Dalmatica - This one also originates in Ann Arbor, apparently; but, yet again, mine is half the height this one is supposed to be according this: http://www.oldhousegardens.com...



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May 28, 2016 6:00 PM CST
Name: Sharon
McGregor IA (Zone 4b)
Not Dogrose. Dogrose is a very distinctive rose color that doesn't really "go" with much else.

te="lharvey16"]How about Dogrose?
Tall Bearded Iris (Iris 'Dogrose')[/quote]
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May 29, 2016 6:53 AM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
Beekeeper Region: Illinois Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
I'm still pretty sure it's one of the pallida clones.....which means it's a *species* iris......iris pallida. Being a "species", when that plant sets seed the seedlings will be *almost* identical to the parent plant, ....I said *almost*. There *can* and often "are' very slight differences, and, "back in the day"....when someone noticed a single plant growing in a huge stand of them, that was just, that, little bit taller(or shorter , or more violet than blue, or 'whatever), he dug it up ...in other words, he "selected" that plant (and he also "collected" that plant). He took it home, planted it, and, as it grew, he divided it, and, when he did....all those divisions are *clones*....identical to the one he collected. The Dalmatica you mentioned is one such "form" of i' pallida....."Princess Beatrice" is another, as is "Odoratissima"....there are actually quite a few that have been "selected", "collected", and then "named", so, using Odoratissima as an example , it's 'full name" would be , " iris pallida, variety "Odoratissima" (selected and collected By) Jacquin in 1797....so, you can call it "pallida", or, you can call it 'Odoratissima"....both are 'correct'. If we were talking about PEOPLE, and describing me, for example, we would say Homo Sapiens (that's the species), the "bald one" (that would be the feature that was "different, caught someones eye, and caused me to be 'collected", or selected), they would say, " I'm calling this one , "Arlyn"....so my full moniker would be , "homo sapiens, var. "Arlyn".
Your noid MAY have been collected, selected, and "named"....or, it may have been a seedling, of a seedling, of a seedling that WAS collected and named, but, more likely , it's 'just" a clone of an un named iris pallida clone that has been passed along, gardener to gardener.
Cultivars like "Dogrose" , for example, came about because of , usually the "intermingling " of species.....hybridization, either natural (a bee) , or intentional (human ). It will be a long search to determine if your noid is "named", or not, and while the search can be a lot of fun, it can also be both time consuming and expensive (finding , buying, and growing "test plants" for comparison ). If it was me, I'd start on the AIS page that was linked, above, concentrating on the "named" I. pallida, ...not the 'cultivars " with I, pallida in their background...and comparing YOUR plant to the written descriptions of 'I. pallida".....you may 'hit the jackpot", or, you may not...it's possible you may need to go down a different path, entirely (if you find contradictory information about the 'descriptions" matching), either way, have fun Thumbs up
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May 29, 2016 10:09 AM CST
Name: Arlyn
Whiteside County, Illinois (Zone 5a)
Beekeeper Region: Illinois Irises Celebrating Gardening: 2015
here's a few pictures of "odoratissima" that I just took, and I think you can see 8some* very similar features.
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my "garden variety" I. pallida isn't in bloom, so this one's the only one I can show you, now.
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May 29, 2016 10:37 AM CST
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Name: Dnd
SE Michigan (Zone 6a)
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Arlyn, thank you for the in depth response! I'm going to re-read it again later, too, because it has a lot of good information in it. And thank you for the pictures!
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May 29, 2016 12:23 PM CST
Name: Dirt
(Zone 5b)
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Hilarious! I'm so glad you were selected and collected as Arlyn!

so, if I have a grape soda smelling, bluish-purple unknown pallida-type, is it wrong to just call it a pallida?

and Dogrose...I really think I do have that one
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but I just call it that one weird, floppy dogeared, pinky-rose thing that doesn't match anything Hilarious!
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May 29, 2016 6:51 PM CST
Name: Gabriel/Gabe Rivera
Charlotte, NC (Zone 7b)
German imported, Michigan raised
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Lilies Irises Hybridizer Hostas Dog Lover Daylilies
Those are all some nice irises, might I add
Gimme it and I'll grow it!
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Jun 4, 2016 5:56 PM CST

Iris virus? Well, I think it was trying to infect me, but then the unpleasant picture that declining leaves presents warded off the virus. There are so many many really gorgeous iris that it wouldn't be hard for the virus to push in again. I go every day to cut back the brown leaves, but the horrible picture that the brown leaves shows is so disappointing. So to those who have been unable to fend off the virus, do you have any tips for this novice granny?

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