Hello experts!

i collected two plants for my researches ... but I have not any idea about their scientific names ... it will be your kind if help me to identify them (genus or species). both plants are herbaceous . thanks

Could you tell us in which country you are, and which area of the country the plants are?

It's important to know this in order to be able to identify your plants.

I am from Iran ... they collected from a mild and semi-dry region

JRsbugs said:

Could you tell us in which country you are, and which area of the country the plants are?

It's important to know this in order to be able to identify your plants.

Unfortunately, nobody couldn't help me...

Aliroshan,
Welcome! Don't give up yet - our plant detectives will try to find an answer for you. Sometimes it takes a bit of time for the lightbulb to come on!

lauribob said:Aliroshan,
Welcome! Don't give up yet - our plant detectives will try to find an answer for you. Sometimes it takes a bit of time for the lightbulb to come on!

Yes you're totally right

Our Super Sleuth will surely pop back in!
In the meantime, could the first one be a type of thistle?

terrafirma said:Our Super Sleuth will surely pop back in!
In the meantime, could the first one be a type of thistle?

I am really weak in botany but this plant has no sharp prickles on margins

Was wondering about any prickles. Seems to have a similar growth habit. Sorry, it was a wild guess.

Where are my manners!?! Failed to you!

aliroshan!

terrafirma said:Was wondering about any prickles. Seems to have a similar growth habit. Sorry, it was a wild guess.

Where are my manners!?! Failed to you!

aliroshan!

Thanks terrafirma... it's your kind.
I really need to know members opinion about pics... during last month nobody could help me , and finally i found amazing garden here!

I'm back!

Well, I might have found the second plant for you after some searching. We recently had someone else from Iran, I had a site with some photos but it took a while to recognise what I was looking at. There is a photo on the following site showing a bare hill behind a greyish plant with yellow flowers, hovering over the photo gives a name of sophora alopecuroides ssp. tomentosa..

http://keesjan.smugmug.com/key...

http://keesjan.smugmug.com/key...

And here is a site which appears to be your plant .. I can't read it but you will be able to! (The google link came up with the wrong link but it's below anyway.)

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...

http://www.iran-eng.com/showth...

Another site with the plant ...

http://photos.v-d-brink.eu/Flo...

I'll come back later, I've yet to look for the first plant.

isn't there a way that a member can search for other members in their geographic area? Other members from the same area may be able to id the plants.

Yes, there is...At the bottom of the page...click on memberlist, and from there enter your location.

JRsbugs said:I'm back!

Well, I might have found the second plant for you after some searching. We recently had someone else from Iran, I had a site with some photos but it took a while to recognise what I was looking at. There is a photo on the following site showing a bare hill behind a greyish plant with yellow flowers, hovering over the photo gives a name of sophora alopecuroides ssp. tomentosa..

http://keesjan.smugmug.com/key...

http://keesjan.smugmug.com/key...

And here is a site which appears to be your plant .. I can't read it but you will be able to! (The google link came up with the wrong link but it's below anyway.)

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...

http://www.iran-eng.com/showth...

Another site with the plant ...

http://photos.v-d-brink.eu/Flo...

WooooooooOOOOOOoooooowWWWWWWwWWW !!!! really amazing!!! ... thanks a loooooooooot

more thanks for second plant

The first plant I think is in the family Brassicaceae. You can search on the Iran site for different things, one page has families.

https://keesjan.smugmug.com/Pl...

https://keesjan.smugmug.com/Pl...

It's more difficult without flowers!

It could be a species of Crambe.

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...

http://www.myjurassiccoast.com...

Crambe tatarica is on the site but the author was not certain of the ID (by use of 'cf.'), the leaves looked different.

https://keesjan.smugmug.com/Pl...

http://www.about-garden.com/fo...

http://photos.v-d-brink.eu/Flo...

If you use 'control + f' on this pdf and search for Iran, you will find some species. Crambe cordifolia subsp. kotschyana is mentioned but the leaves are different.

http://rjb.revistas.csic.es/in...

Crambe amabilis is similar, and that is given as location under "representative specimens" but it appears to be named Crambe orientalis although both names are accepted as separate species. Your plant could be a subspecies of that.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tp...

http://www.theplantlist.org/tp...

https://www.google.co.uk/searc...

http://www.hessenhof.nl/al/c21...

Crambe grandiflora also appears to be in Iran and is mentioned in the above pdf..

http://www.iucnredlist.org/det...

http://www.hessenhof.nl/al/c21...

Crambe juncea .. also listed.

http://www.plantarium.ru/page/...

Crambe glaberrima is listed but is a synonym of Crambe orientalis subsp. sulphurea ..

http://www.theplantlist.org/tp...

https://commons.wikimedia.org/...

C. orientalis var. juncea f. aculeolata.

http://www.theplantlist.org/tp....

Three listed on Flora of Iran, unfortunately there's not much info.

Crambe hispanica L. Brassicaceae (Cruciferae)

C. kotschyana Boiss.

Crambe orientalis L.

http://flora-iran.com/plant-fa...

After all that, I hope it is Crambe!

JRsbugs said:

The first plant I think is in the family Brassicaceae. You can search on the Iran site for different things, one page has families.

Dear JRsbugs ... I really could not say anything about your kind I wish that you will be glad and successful in your whole life... Thank you a lot.

Is it possible to me for asking more question here ? Or you will kill me ???

It's my pleasure to help you aliroshan. What I have learnt and how to identify plants is something I am happy to share, to keep it to myself would serve no good purpose.

You can ask whatever you wish, the genie will try to grant your wish.