Daylilies forum: Paper Butterfly vs. Witch Stitchery... difference?

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Name: Vickie
Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b)
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blue23rose
Jun 11, 2016 2:57 PM CST
Looking for help on this to see if I have two daylilies that could be the same. If you have Witch Stitchery or Paper Butterfly, please chime in. Do they really look that much alike?

I was out taking pictures today and noticed that I have two daylilies that look identical in my eyes. Witch Stitchery (purchased in 2007) and Paper Butterfly (purchased in 2009). Now I am wondering if one of them was misnamed when I purchased it.

Neither of these has been transplanted or divided since I bought them... until last year when I moved Paper Butterfly. It just so happens that I moved it to a spot just about 4 feet from Witch Stitchery. So now they are both blooming and it hits me like a ton of bricks. They look the same.

I am wondering if I got two Witch Stitchery or two Paper Butterfly.

Here are the stats:

Paper Butterfly (Morss, 1983)
height 24in (61cm), bloom 6in (15.0cm), season E, Rebloom, Semi-Evergreen, Tetraploid, Cream peach and blue violet blend with blue violet eyezone and green throat. (((sdlg × Chicago Two Bits) × Thais) × ((Silver Veil × Knave) × (Chicago Mist × Chicago Mist)))

Witch Stitchery (Morss, 1986)
height 26in (66cm), bloom 5.5in (14.0cm), season EE, Rebloom, Semi-Evergreen, Tetraploid, Cream with lavender eyezone edged purple and green throat. ((sdlg × Chicago Two Bits) × Paper Butterfly)

And some pics from today:
PB on right, WS on left:
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Paper Butterfly
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Witch Stitchery
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Edited to add a garden shot.
Witch Stitchery (forefront) measured 24 inches tall on the scape and the bloom (when I stretched out the petals) measured a little over 6 inches.
Paper Butterfly (background on right) was a little taller at 25 inches and the bloom was 6 inches also.
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Vickie
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Name: Larry
Enterprise, Al. 36330 (Zone 8b)
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Seedfork
Jun 11, 2016 3:45 PM CST
I just wrongly posted a photo of 'Paper Butterfly' as 'Witch Stitchery ', I have requested it be moved. They certainly look the same in your photo. Sorry I do not grow both of them so I am of no help.
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Jun 11, 2016 4:22 PM CST
Vickie - Looking at the photos in the database, I can actually see a bloom difference in the photos of each cultivar:

Witch Stitchery - Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Witch Stitchery')
Paper Butterfly - Daylily (Hemerocallis 'Paper Butterfly')

It doesn't help that Paper Butterfly is the pollen parent of Witch Stitchery. Rolling my eyes.

To my eyes, Witch Stitchery has a smaller eye zone than Paper Butterfly.

It looks like you have 2 Paper Butterfly plants, to my eyes. Which is not all bad, because I love Paper Butterfly and can't wait until mine grows large enough to divide and plant more around my garden areas. (If it survives here ....) It also makes a good parent for hybridizing. Big Grin

My Paper Butterfly (I do not have Witch Stitchery):

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They have the same hybridizer, too.
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Name: Vickie
Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b)
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blue23rose
Jun 11, 2016 7:42 PM CST
Larry, that was one of my concerns too. That I may have posted the wrong pictures. Things can get messed pretty easily when the blooms look so much alike.

Becky, one of the things I like about Paper Butterfly is when the petals canoe. I will be watching these two plants very closely to see if my Witch Stitchery canoes like PB. I see what you mean about the smaller eyezone on WS. I'm beginning to think I have 2 PB's too.
Vickie
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Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Jun 11, 2016 9:43 PM CST
Here is the AHS website with each cultivar:

Paper Butterfly (Color -cream peach and blue violet blend with blue violet eyezone and green throat): http://www.daylilies.org/DaylilyDB/detail.php?id=33960&name=...

Witch Stitchery (Color: cream with lavender eyezone edged purple and green throat): http://www.daylilies.org/DaylilyDB/detail.php?id=44315&name=...

So reading the color description, it appears that PB is perhaps more of a peach color? Whereas, WS is more of a cream color? So maybe one is more peach and one is more of an off-white color? Ironically, the photos added to each cultivar by the hybridizer seems to entail just the opposite!

Looking at all of my photos of PB from this year and last year, mine is definitely a peachy color. Wished someone else on the forum had WS to tell us what it's color is. Another issue is that sellers may be selling them under the wrong name since they look so similar. Sticking tongue out
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Name: Becky
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beckygardener
Jun 11, 2016 9:47 PM CST
WS has an extended bloom period. I know that PB does not seem to, in my garden, but it does re-bloom.
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Name: Vickie
Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b)
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blue23rose
Jun 11, 2016 10:43 PM CST
You're right Becky! I didn't notice the color difference on the pictures before on the AHS site.
Vickie
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caitlinsgarden
Jul 4, 2016 8:43 AM CST
I thought I had purchased both plants, but I think the one that has large blooms and blooms early and is a good grower is paper butterfly. Maybe it doesn't matter as they are so similar.
Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
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admmad
Jul 4, 2016 9:45 AM CST
Oakes daylilies sells both.
'Paper Butterfly' (PB) https://www.oakesdaylilies.com/product/paper-butterfly/
'Witch Stitchery' (WS) https://www.oakesdaylilies.com/product/witch-stitchery/
To my eyes and on my monitor WS seems to have a darker eye and a more yellowy colour than PB.

AHS registry database PB http://daylilydatabase.org/detail.php?id=33960&name=Paper Butterfly
WS http://daylilydatabase.org/detail.php?id=44315&name=Witch Stitchery
On the registry database PB appears less yellow than WS.
Maurice
Name: Becky
Sebastian, Florida (Zone 10a)
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beckygardener
Jul 4, 2016 10:04 AM CST
To me, Witch Stitchery looks so much like it's pollen parent, Paper Butterfly .... that it is hard to tell them apart.
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Name: Vickie
Elberfeld, Indiana, USA (Zone 6b)
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blue23rose
Jul 4, 2016 11:17 AM CST
Thanks, Maurice. Going by the color difference, both of mine are probably Witch Stitchery. I keep flipping back and forth between the two Oakes pictures to see if there is a difference in the eyes, and I can't see it. I will have to go by color alone I guess, in which case, I am beginning to think I have two of Witch Stitchery.
I just want to be able to make sure that I get the right pics in the database. I may have some corrections to make. I am thinking that anything I said was Paper Butterfly is actually Witch Stitchery going by the color. The height and size of bloom is just too close to make a distinction there.

Becky, they sure do look a lot alike! I need to get Paper Butterfly in my garden so I can compare.

Photos from 2013: Witch Stitchery on left, Paper Butterfly on right.
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Vickie
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