Plant ID forum: Variegated orchid????

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Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Jun 18, 2016 7:47 PM CST
Ok, I got epipactis helleborine for the plant the first time I posted for ID.
Then gardening today, I find this one....... Looks identical to the first 1.... But this one is verigated.


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Brenden
Name: Feng Xiao Long
Bogor, Java, Indonesia (Zone 13a)
Purslane Tropicals Plant Identifier
XiaoLong
Jun 18, 2016 7:58 PM CST
Wow.... its a big surprise. It looks so beautifull. The stripe seems to shout out "please save me". Lovey dubby
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Jun 18, 2016 7:59 PM CST
XiaoLong said:Wow.... its a big surprise. It looks so beautifull. The stripe seems to shout out "please save me". Lovey dubby


Awesome, thanks for answering Xiao, you saw the first one I posted. What do you think?
Brenden
Name: Daisy
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
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DaisyI
Jun 18, 2016 8:15 PM CST
I grow Epipactus gigantea, a west coast native. I believe Epipactis helleborine is introduced but I'm sure they are basically the same. I have never seen a variegated Epipactus but there's always a first.

Maybe there are some variegated ones that I don't know about. But maybe you have something unique. First, wait and see what the offshoots from this bulb do. If they continue to be variegated, that's a good thing. If they change back to green, you have a sport (a genetic abnormality that is not going to be repeated soon).

Next, move this particular plant to a different location (just a couple feet will do). See if it continues to be variegated. Lastly, move it to a competely new location. If you can change the plant by moving it, its not unique (that proves it was some condition of its growing environment that made it variegated). If it continues to be variegated, you have something new.

Sounds like a great scientific experiment (that will occupy you for the next few years) to me. Smiling

Have fun!

Daisy

Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Jun 18, 2016 8:22 PM CST
Thanks for the 100th new hobby I have acquired since starting gardening. Cheers, Daisy.
Brenden
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Jun 18, 2016 8:25 PM CST
DaisyI said:I grow Epipactus gigantea, a west coast native. I believe Epipactis helleborine is introduced but I'm sure they are basically the same. I have never seen a variegated Epipactus but there's always a first.

Maybe there are some variegated ones that I don't know about. But maybe you have something unique. First, wait and see what the offshoots from this bulb do. If they continue to be variegated, that's a good thing. If they change back to green, you have a sport (a genetic abnormality that is not going to be repeated soon).

Next, move this particular plant to a different location (just a couple feet will do). See if it continues to be variegated. Lastly, move it to a competely new location. If you can change the plant by moving it, its not unique (that proves it was some condition of its growing environment that made it variegated). If it continues to be variegated, you have something new.

Sounds like a great scientific experiment (that will occupy you for the next few years) to me. Smiling

Have fun!

Daisy



How deep are the roots, and when you say off shoots, the next 3 to 4 leaves?

It's a shade plant, you know that already, so you mean different shaded areas in term of lighting, right?
Brenden
Name: Carol
Santa Ana,Ca. (Zone 10b)
Sunset zone 22
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ctcarol
Jun 18, 2016 8:31 PM CST
I think she means that something in that soil could have caused the variegation. If you move it from that spot to some different soil, it could change.
Name: Daisy
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
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DaisyI
Jun 18, 2016 8:45 PM CST
Each bulb will form new bulbs - that's what I meant by off shoots.

Different soil conditions are usually the cause of aberrant (for no reason) behavor. It may be right next to a normal looking plant but it may be growing up through a piece of...? (in my yard, it would be hardpan - making my soil either basic or acidic, depending upon the soil. Need to consult with Geochemist Daughter on this).

On the coast in Northern California, there is a miniature forest. When these little trees are transplanted to an area with better soil, they grow normally.

http://www.sonomacounty.com/articles/salt-point-state-parks-...

Daisy
Name: Daisy
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
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DaisyI
Jun 18, 2016 8:46 PM CST
Thank You! Carol

I bet you even know about the Pygmy Forest. Smiling
Name: Brenden Reinhart
Flushing Michigan (Zone 6b)
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bhart90
Jun 18, 2016 10:10 PM CST
So merely just "observe" for this year?
Brenden
Name: Feng Xiao Long
Bogor, Java, Indonesia (Zone 13a)
Purslane Tropicals Plant Identifier
XiaoLong
Jun 18, 2016 11:20 PM CST
bhart90 said:

Awesome, thanks for answering Xiao, you saw the first one I posted. What do you think?


I love orchids and all lily type plants. And i love variegate too. So variegate orchids will receive double love Hilarious!

I think that stripe variegation is genetically caused.

Non genetically causes such as environmental condition, mineral deficiency, stressed, or virus damage also can influence the number of chlorophyl so the leaf not looks as green as usual. But i never know if that causes can produce that neat stripe variegation.

If it grow in my garden i will leave it on that spot. Maybe give some fence to protect. Let it grow and produce another shoot or bulb. Just worry if digging and transer to new location will make it stressed and stop to grow.

Thats my humble opinion. If you sure you can remove and transplant it to more save location without any damage and it will grow happier why not. Smiling

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