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Name: Dee Stewart
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irisloverdee
Oct 1, 2011 12:49 PM CST

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Well you ladies and gents are posting iris I have seen and having to research them, keep them coming. Lucky for me I see every year, Keith Keppel, Mid America, Schreiners and also Cooley's (who will be missed) and all of mine, so I see alot to compare and have a large database of my own with over 4,000 images

D

Great work
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Name: Patricia
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patrob
Oct 1, 2011 8:30 PM CST
Dee, can you direct me to a good resource for learning about iris color patterns? I know the basics and the definitions, but I need some help determining what to call the more complicated ones. I don't have thousands, but I do love the ones I have and many of them came from you and the PNW growers. After the summer from hell, irises and some natives are the only plants still standing in Central Texas.
Name: Paul
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Paul2032
Oct 1, 2011 8:47 PM CST
I do some of the auctioneering at our annual sale. It is harder each year to describe the newer iris. We get pictures and pass them around. I remember when their were pinks, blues yellows, plics, etc. Busy hafts were a fault.
Paul Smith Pleasant Grove, Utah
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Name: Dee Stewart
Willamette Valley OR
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irisloverdee
Oct 1, 2011 10:20 PM CST

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Truly Pat I know of no known resource for the variations and such. The best thing is just goggle or more research.

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Paul do you know of a good source.

Denise Stewart
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Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Oct 2, 2011 8:12 AM CST
Kent is kindly inputting them for us over on Cubits. Maybe he knows of a source?
Name: Patricia
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patrob
Oct 2, 2011 8:21 AM CST
Thanks, Dee. I figured if there were such a resource, you would know of it. The Tall Bearded Iris Society facebook page has albums with photos of some of the patterns, but nothing that actually tells how much variation is allowed. Schreiner's catalog includes the pattern for many of the irises they sell, but not all. I'll keep Googling.
Name: Paul
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Paul2032
Oct 2, 2011 10:25 AM CST
This is fun to think about. I wonder where there is so much variation now if it would be impossible to to include many in any group. I remember reading some articles in 'Tall Talk' about the variations in the plicata themes, they were numerous. If I find the articles I will list them. Having said this I think it might be a fun winter project for those who would want to participate to work on a list of color patterns and then post a few pictures of iris showing the color pattern, Kent's list would be a great place to start. It might be fun to post pictures of our favorites and ask "what color pattern is this?"
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Name: Patricia
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patrob
Oct 2, 2011 12:35 PM CST
Paul, that's a great idea.
Name: Kent Pfeiffer
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KentPfeiffer
Oct 2, 2011 6:30 PM CST

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The "Basic Iris Culture" booklet includes definitions of color patterns (although it doesn't include the glaciata or broken patterns). I doubt there are formal standards as to what to call a particular iris. With some varieties, it is pretty obvious which pattern they display. Other varieties defy our attempts to pigeon-hole them.
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irisarian
Oct 2, 2011 8:45 PM CST
glacista is a newer term for flowers in the plicata series which have no pigment.
Name: Dee Stewart
Willamette Valley OR
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irisloverdee
Oct 3, 2011 7:55 AM CST

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There are new terms coming up all the time and many times no group of growers can agree.

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philljm
Oct 16, 2011 6:48 AM CST
And I wonder why I am confused.... Big Grin ~Jan
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Jan 6, 2012 7:47 PM CST

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DB Question
JI 'Innocence' - 6 Falls. Tall Bearded Iris (Iris 'Innocence')
This cv. is not in the Japanese wiki. A TB 'Innocence' is listed.

DG Plantfiles has a 3 Fall 'Innocence' w/photo by Todd Boland. http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/84648/

A web search brings up both 3 and 6 Fall JI 'Innocence'.

RHS DB indicates "name not found in literature". They often list Dutch introductions. http://apps.rhs.org.uk/horticulturaldatabase/hortdatabase.as...

RHS Plant Finder lists several nurseries which carry it. http://apps.rhs.org.uk/rhsplantfinder/pfregions.asp?ID=10997...

Anyone have any further info.?
Evan
Name: Polly Kinsman
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PollyK
Jan 6, 2012 8:07 PM CST
Innocence is just a name the Dutch growers came up with. It's not a registered iris. I don't think it should be in the database, or, a notation should be made that it's not a registered iris, and any purchased may be variable.
Name: Evan
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eclayne
Jan 6, 2012 8:26 PM CST

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Name: Polly Kinsman
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PollyK
Jan 6, 2012 8:42 PM CST
Which would be your pick, delete, or notation that it's not a registered iris and variable? I think the second, as people are going to continue entering it.
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Betja
Jan 6, 2012 8:45 PM CST
I agree, Polly. If you leave it there with that notation then it should be clear to everyone in the future. Great idea!

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Name: Evan
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eclayne
Jan 6, 2012 11:17 PM CST

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I did that with 'Pink Lady' just before coming across this one, it's in the waiting list. We had talked about PL some time ago. Are there quite a few like these out there?

Maybe it should be a Trade Name instead of a cv? If your good w/that I'll propose the change to PL as well.
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
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ge1836
Jan 7, 2012 6:35 AM CST
I was given this JI and was told it was Innosence.
I 'll make a note in my files. I dont sell or trade my plants so.Weather its legit or not doesnt matter here.

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Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Jan 7, 2012 9:36 AM CST
Oh, no, Jo Ann, nothing to do with you. It's a common iris in the trade. But take a look at the beautiful one you have, and the one in DG.

http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/84648/

Evan, a few, maybe a dozen or so, but getting to be more. You'll laugh at this one. I just got a wholesale catalogue in the mail from a Dutch grower, and it has Iris ensata Variegata. Pic shows white flower with pink edging. Doesn't show the leaves in the pic.

If you put it as a trade name will that still list it? Of course, that's fine. Great idea.

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