Hibiscus forum: New Natural Hybrid

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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM CST
Several years ago I collected a wild Hibiscus laevis that was growing in the same area as some wild Hibiscus moscheutos. The H. laevis did not come back from dormancy the next year, but last year I noticed a new seedling coming up about six feet from where the original plant was planted. The seedling was growing in an inconvenient spot close to a path and I almost pulled it up. This year it bloomed for the first time and it is obviously a natural hybrid between the original H. laevis and the H. moscheutos that were growing near it. The leaves are distinctly H. moscheutos, but the flower is like H. laevis. In size the bloom is about midway between that of the two parent plants.

You can see the leaf in like that of Hibiscus moscheutos subsp. moscheutos.
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The hybrid is on the right next to Hibiscus moscheutos bloom on the left for comparison.
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Name: Deborah Pryor
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Deebie
Jun 28, 2016 11:31 AM CST
Hurray! Hurray! Jay, that is very nice. I like the soft pink color of the hybrid. Lovey dubby
Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Aug 1, 2016 4:59 PM CST
Wonderful hybrid!

I wanted to let you know the hibiscus seeds you sent me last year are doing great! H. dasycalyx and H. aculeatus.


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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Aug 1, 2016 5:43 PM CST
Hmmm... None of those looks like H. dasycalyx or H. aculeatus.
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Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Aug 1, 2016 8:44 PM CST
Horntoad said:Hmmm... None of those looks like H. dasycalyx or H. aculeatus.


Those are what you sent me, I have no other hibiscus seeds? What species do they look like?
Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Aug 1, 2016 8:54 PM CST
It doesn't remind me of any Hibiscus I have ever had seed for. Are you sure those came from me?
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Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Aug 2, 2016 10:01 AM CST
Horntoad said:It doesn't remind me of any Hibiscus I have ever had seed for. Are you sure those came from me?


Yes, and the seeds were hibiscus of some sort all the seedlings looked exactly like hibiscus.
Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Aug 2, 2016 1:24 PM CST
Is this a hibiscus?

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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Aug 2, 2016 1:27 PM CST
keithp2012 said:Is this a hibiscus?

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That looks like Hibiscus dasycalyx.
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Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Aug 2, 2016 1:30 PM CST
Horntoad said:

That looks like Hibiscus daisycalyx.


The others were in the packet you sent with this, guess they weren't the right species you thought?
Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Aug 2, 2016 8:29 PM CST
Well those leave definently do not look like Hibiscus aculeatus but then I have never grown H. aculeatus from seed, so I have not idea what the young plants look like. Looking back at your first picture, in the largest pot with the pink rim, some of the leave seem to be starting to get lobes. There is one of the newest leaves that is very distinctly three lobed, so these may be H. aculeatus. They just may need to get a little more mature to get there normal leaves.
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froggardener
Aug 5, 2016 1:06 PM CST
Is the common name for H. aculeatus Pineland Hibiscus? If so I think I am going to say the seedlings look right. I haven't grown it in a while and don't have one now but if I can trust my memory.....
I do remember when they were coming up thinking they were turk's cap
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Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Region: Gulf Coast Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the first seed swap I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Horntoad
Aug 5, 2016 4:08 PM CST
froggardener said:Is the common name for H. aculeatus Pineland Hibiscus? If so I think I am going to say the seedlings look right. I haven't grown it in a while and don't have one now but if I can trust my memory.....
I do remember when they were coming up thinking they were turk's cap


Yep, Pineland Hibiscus is one of the common names.
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Name: Jolana
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froggardener
Aug 5, 2016 6:53 PM CST
https://marcpastorek.com/2014/04/29/ball-of-fire-scientist-h...

look at the second and third pic down from Jethro. Hilarious!
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Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Region: Gulf Coast Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the first seed swap I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Horntoad
Aug 5, 2016 8:00 PM CST
Yep, they sure look a lot like Keith's plants. I have never grow Hibiscus aculeatus from seed and the seedling look nothing like my plants. I noticed this summer growing different varieties how much they look alike at the early stages.
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Name: Keith
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keithp2012
Aug 5, 2016 8:10 PM CST
froggardener said:https://marcpastorek.com/2014/04/29/ball-of-fire-scientist-horticulturist-dr-yan-chen-gets-things-done/

look at the second and third pic down from Jethro. Hilarious!


Looks like I have the right ones afterall 👍
Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Region: Gulf Coast Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the first seed swap I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Horntoad
Aug 5, 2016 9:17 PM CST
keithp2012 said:

Looks like I have the right ones afterall 👍


I'm glad. I was a little upset with myself, thinking I sent you the wrong seeds. All's well that ends well.
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Name: Jolana
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froggardener
Aug 6, 2016 6:02 PM CST
Even if they had been the wrong seeds Jay, everyone makes mistakes Smiling
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