Daylilies forum: Drying buds

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Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
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cybersix
Jun 30, 2016 9:06 AM CST
Confused
I'm finding some dry buds. They don't grow much, dry and then fall. These are most on Always Afternoon but I found a couple on other two cultivars.
What does it mean? It's related to the weather? here a couple of pictures, the yellow ones are dried and ready to fall-
Thank You!

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Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Jun 30, 2016 9:13 AM CST
It could be weather, it could be soil fertility, it could be pests like capsid bugs (called tarnished plant bugs in North America), thrips or whatever else you might have there, it could be a root problem, and you also have gall midge which can do it too. The top bud in the top picture looks a bit suggestive of gall midge but you'd have to conduct a post mortem on it. As usual, when a cause is unknown, it's a process of elimination. Edited to add, bud drop is quite common in daylilies, I see it here too (no gall midges) but the causes have never been studied.
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Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 30, 2016 9:20 AM CST
Thanks Sue, I wasn't recognizing the signs of gall midge. I will inspect the bud. That plant had a heavy attack of spider mites too. It already bloomed with two good and healthy blooms so I wasn't thinking about gall midge. Of course I used insecticide on it, Calypso, which has an ingredient that maybe helps against gall midge too. Since the buds are already dead I will check for gall midge. Not that I love to do it Glare
I didn't know of buds dropping.
I don't know if it can appky to DLs, my mother has a gardenia and buds were falling. The lady who gave it to her said it needed iron. So after the iron cure the gardenia is blooming well.
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Jun 30, 2016 9:51 AM CST
Since you had bad spider mites, is it possible the plant did not get enough water?
Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 30, 2016 10:41 AM CST
It's dry, no rains in two weeks. I watered by hand once a week.
Sabrina, North Italy
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Name: Sue
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sooby
Jun 30, 2016 12:20 PM CST
Spider mites tend to be worse in hot dry weather, and also hot dry weather is sometimes blamed for daylily bud drop so there could be a connection. You may help both by watering a bit more. Do you check that the water is getting down to root level?
Name: Sabrina
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cybersix
Jun 30, 2016 12:58 PM CST
I did not the last time . May be the reason because that plant is in a spot avete the soil is different from the clay in the rest of the garden. Going to water in a bit !
Sabrina, North Italy
My blog: http://hemerocallisblog.com
Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
Love daylilies and making candles!
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cybersix
Jun 30, 2016 1:52 PM CST
No signs of gall midge. The flowers are not really developed yet. They are dry. With gall midge they are watery and then rot.
Sabrina, North Italy
My blog: http://hemerocallisblog.com
Name: Sue
Ontario, Canada (Zone 4a)
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sooby
Jun 30, 2016 5:36 PM CST
Yes, the larger buds are watery and rot, but it has also been reported that some just dry up when still quite small. I have pictures somewhere in the depths of my laptop sent to me by a person dealing with the midge in the UK. That may well not be the problem with your smaller dry buds, just part of the process of elimination. Especially since many of us see bud abortion without gall midge. But where gall midge is a possibility it has to go on the initial list of possibilities to be eliminated.
Name: Sabrina
Italy, Brescia (Zone 8b)
Love daylilies and making candles!
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cybersix
Jul 1, 2016 12:32 AM CST
Thanks Sue. I watered that plant a lot, don't know if it's part of the problem, it never bloomed so it's realli "living" this year for the first time. It 's slow in everything, it's still one fan after three years. But maybe the problem is the soil in that spot. I will let i rest a bit then give a bit of fertilizer.
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