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Jul 5, 2016 11:56 AM CST
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Name: Lindsey
Ohio (Zone 6a)
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I know I am blowing up this forum, but can you ID these for me? Haha thank you!



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Jul 5, 2016 5:19 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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It could be Coryphantha. Definitely not Mammillaria.
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Jul 5, 2016 11:37 PM CST
Name: Thijs van Soest
Tempe, AZ (Zone 9b)
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Sorry, Daisy, but I disagree. Number 1 looks a lot like one of the Mammillaria haageana subsp. I think #2 is also a Mammillaria, having a harder time putting a name to it and no time to dive into my Mammillaria books, but they look way more like Mammillarias than Coryphanthas to me. #2 especially also looks like it could use more light, but both are looking nice an healthy.

Lindsey, can you tell us where you got them? Cactus nursery, big box store, on-line? I rarely see Coryphanthas at the big box stores in my area, plenty of Mammillarias though.
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Jul 6, 2016 4:28 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lindsey
Ohio (Zone 6a)
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Garden Photography Cactus and Succulents Bromeliad Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Thank you!!! I just bought them a few days ago....from ALDI!!! Hahah I normally get mine all from a nursery, but while I was grocery shopping I saw they had cacti and succulents, so I bought every single one they had!
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Jul 6, 2016 5:05 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
Garden Sages Plant Identifier
I suggested Coryphantha for the first one because I can't see any tufts between the tubercles. And because the central spine does not have a hook. It doesn't seem very Mammillaria like to me without those two features. I know not all Mamm's have a hook (but the ones with a central spine like that do seem to have hooks) but they do all have tufts or bristles or... between the tubercles.

I said #2 was a Mamm. assuming it is the one listed separately later. If not, looks like there are tufts down there so Mammillaria. Smiling

Daisy
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

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Jul 6, 2016 6:25 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lindsey
Ohio (Zone 6a)
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I can add more pictures that are up close of each! (:
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Jul 6, 2016 8:13 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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Garden Sages Plant Identifier
That would be great!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

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Jul 8, 2016 11:31 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lindsey
Ohio (Zone 6a)
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Garden Photography Cactus and Succulents Bromeliad Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Here are some closer images!

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Jul 8, 2016 6:18 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
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I think I see some tufts between the tubercles. If my eyes are not playing tricks, its a Mammillaria. But wait... that's the second cactus with light central spines. I thought that was Mammillaria.

Please add close ups of the cactus with the dark central spines.
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

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Jul 8, 2016 6:28 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lindsey
Ohio (Zone 6a)
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Cactus #1 in the blue pot:

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Cactus #2 on the brown pot:

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Jul 8, 2016 7:26 PM CST
Name: Thijs van Soest
Tempe, AZ (Zone 9b)
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Compare your brown pot one to this:

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Jul 8, 2016 7:28 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lindsey
Ohio (Zone 6a)
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That does look a lot like that picture, Thijs!
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Jul 8, 2016 7:33 PM CST
Name: Thijs van Soest
Tempe, AZ (Zone 9b)
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Looking at both plants, they could be different subspecies of the same Mammillaria species... the number of central spines is variable among them
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Jul 8, 2016 7:41 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lindsey
Ohio (Zone 6a)
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what is the species in your photo?
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Jul 8, 2016 7:51 PM CST
Name: Thijs van Soest
Tempe, AZ (Zone 9b)
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It is Mammillaria haageana. Not quite sure about the exact subspecies, most likely ssp. san-angelensis.
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Jul 8, 2016 8:00 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lindsey
Ohio (Zone 6a)
Bee Lover Region: Ohio Greenhouse Dog Lover Container Gardener Cat Lover
Garden Photography Cactus and Succulents Bromeliad Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Thank you so much!!
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Jul 8, 2016 11:48 PM CST
Name: Daisy I
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
Not all who wander are lost
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Mammillaria have only one characteristic they don't share with any other genus: tufts or bristles or ? at the base of the tubercles. That is were the flowers form. If you see any little tufts, bristles... at the base of the tubercles, it is a Mammillaria.

Its now up to you Lindsey. Your photos are great but you are looking at the plant. A photo can't replace that. Are they both Mammillaria?

Daisy
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and proclaiming...."WOW What a Ride!!" -Mark Frost

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Webmaster: osnnv.org
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Jul 9, 2016 6:05 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lindsey
Ohio (Zone 6a)
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Is there any way you could show me what these tufts look like on a mammillaria? Thank you!
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Jul 9, 2016 8:47 AM CST
Name: Thijs van Soest
Tempe, AZ (Zone 9b)
Region: Arizona Enjoys or suffers hot summers Cactus and Succulents Xeriscape Adeniums Hybridizer
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Good point, Daisy!

Look at the 2nd detailed photo of your first plant. Top center left between the spines you will see a bit of wooly white 'hair' in between the tubercles - which carry the spines.
In your second plant it is not as easy to see but it looks like it may have it too.

Some Mammmillaria have this wool in profusion and year round, whereas in many others, these tufts of wooly white hair tend to be way more pronounced as the plant builds up to flowering, flowers and then shortly after, in the non flowering period they diminish in prominence or sometimes almost completely disappear until the next flowering cycle.

The M. haageana I posted a picture of shows a very small increase in the tufts when it flowers, but it is pretty sparse. However this is another one - just a different ssp. (likely ssp. elegans) that clearly shows the tufts very prominently in the band with the flowers and much diminished outside of those bands.


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Jul 9, 2016 7:02 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Lindsey
Ohio (Zone 6a)
Bee Lover Region: Ohio Greenhouse Dog Lover Container Gardener Cat Lover
Garden Photography Cactus and Succulents Bromeliad Enjoys or suffers cold winters
Okay I have examined both.... and the verdict is that they are both mammillaria!

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