Roses forum: My latest mystery rose has changed colors

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Name: Zuzu
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Oct 4, 2011 3:06 PM CST

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I posted this one in the chat thread earlier. It was supposed to be Potton Heritage, a red-blend hybrid tea. Instead, it put out long sprawling canes with clusters of buds at the ends. The first bloom looked like this:


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Clearly, an apricot blend, right? I looked up every climber with apricot in its coloring and couldn't find a match.

The bloom then turned pinkish as it aged, so I looked up pink climbers and couldn't find a match.
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Oct 4, 2011 3:11 PM CST

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Well, we all know how misleading the first bloom on a rose can be. This turned out to be one of those cases. The second bloom looks like this:






The buds have changed color too. It now resembles Autumn Sunset, but the bloom has more petals, they have curled edges like Harkness roses, and the canes are far more pliable than any Autumn Sunset cane.

What is it?

Edited to add that the rose has been identified as Puerta del Sol.
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Name: Suzanne/Sue
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Calif_Sue
Oct 4, 2011 3:43 PM CST

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Oh my, the mystery deepens! You sure you don't have any canes crossed like I did one time with Helen Hayes? Big Grin
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zuzu
Oct 4, 2011 3:46 PM CST

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Funny that you ask, because this is growing right next to Helen Hayes, but no. It's the one labeled Potton Heritage. It really looks like a Harkness bloom, doesn't it? The petals have that unique ruffling that so many Harkness roses have.
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Calif_Sue
Oct 4, 2011 3:49 PM CST

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Yes, reminds me of....let me think.... Confused
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Calif_Sue
Oct 4, 2011 4:02 PM CST

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I think I was thinking of Anne Harkness.
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zuzu
Oct 4, 2011 4:22 PM CST

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Yep, those are the ruffles, just like on Anne Harkness.

I'll have to look through Cliff's list of climbers again. The last time I did it, I was looking for an apricot rose, but this is a whole different animal.
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zuzu
Oct 4, 2011 6:44 PM CST

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How cool. Cliff's pages have advanced search. I never noticed that before. He has no Harkness climbers that match, but here are some others with apricot in their description.

Constellation: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.30916

Lady Hillingdon: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.159813

Schoolgirl: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.53626

Or should I be looking for "yellow" or "amber" in the description?
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Oct 4, 2011 6:45 PM CST
It's not Compassion, is it? Or Dreaming Spires?
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Oct 4, 2011 7:01 PM CST

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No, I have both of those, Steve, and they're actually both in bloom right now. Compassion never looks that yellow, and Dreaming Spires always shows off its dark anthers. This rose has a lot more petals than Dreaming Spires.
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zuzu
Oct 4, 2011 7:24 PM CST

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Maybe it's Puerta del Sol. That shares more letters with Potton Heritage than the others, in case the problem stems from an original label with most of the name missing. As for the photos of this rose, sometimes Cliff tricks them out to the point at which their own mother wouldn't recognize them.

http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.21899.1&tab=36
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Calif_Sue
Oct 4, 2011 7:56 PM CST

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zuzu said: As for the photos of this rose, sometimes Cliff tricks them out to the point at which their own mother wouldn't recognize them.


Rolling on the floor laughing
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Skiekitty
Oct 4, 2011 8:33 PM CST
Calif_Sue said:

Rolling on the floor laughing


I agree I agree I agree I agree Don't get me wrong, Cliff's pictures are gorgeous, but sometimes have no real resemblance to the actual flower.

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Steve812
Oct 5, 2011 12:07 PM CST
Somehow reminds me of the Blue Rose thread you found for us once, Toni.
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Skiekitty
Oct 5, 2011 12:38 PM CST
oh, you mean this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/DIY-Blue-Japanese-Rose-Rosa-rugosa-5...
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Here's the other "roses" he's selling

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=rose&_sacat=3184&_ssn=ha...

And this is what he's actually sending out.
http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=2.38191.9
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Name: Steve
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Steve812
Oct 8, 2011 5:37 PM CST
Exactly!

My goodness, what an enterprise. Do any of the roses he illustrates even set hips? Is there any chance that any rose from any seed will vaguely resemble any of the flowers he uses as illustration? Oh well, I guess this is old ground.

Heddew
May 21, 2016 6:40 AM CST
my blue rose has gone to pink and white very much like a dog rose why ?
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May 21, 2016 8:50 PM CST
Sighing! So sorry. There's no real blue roses.
Welcome to the forum! We can sure point you to some pretty purple roses from reputable sellers if you want to try again!
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