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Jul 15, 2016 1:58 PM CST
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Name: Sharon
McGregor IA (Zone 4b)
The only success I have had so far is to keep digging out a border around the beds. Please don't suggest chemicals but I really would like to find a less labor intensive method. I keep getting older and more decrepit every year...
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Jul 15, 2016 2:00 PM CST
Name: Arlene
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Ditto!
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Jul 15, 2016 2:02 PM CST
Name: Tara
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Found this in the weed library. http://garden.org/learn/articl...

Good luck! We haven't had any luck as yet.
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Jul 16, 2016 7:17 AM CST
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Name: Sharon
McGregor IA (Zone 4b)
The article suggests using scraps of carpeting between rows to control weeds. I tried this once, and eventually the carpet fell apart and I now have pieces of pile everywhere in my garden; a very persistence nuisance. Don't do this unless you are careful to remove carpet before it falls apart.
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Jul 16, 2016 8:19 AM CST
Name: Arlene
Southold, Long Island, NY (Zone 7a)
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Good idea!
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Jul 18, 2016 5:47 AM CST
Name: Sally
Nichols, iowa (Zone 5a)
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My neighbors use Poast Herbicide and have good luck with it. It's pricey. I once had to dig up my entire garden. I sorted each shovelful, removing all the roots. I also cleaned up rocks, pottery and broken dishes.

This was before I had a digital camera so I didn't take pictures, but I had piles of dirt. I have kept it out out by keeping an eye on the edges where it sneaks in from the grass.
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Jul 19, 2016 1:44 AM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
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I don't have quackgrass but we do have Bermuda grass and it's a real pain here in my garden. I've tried everything and nothing works. all the ideas on the net sound good but this stuff is relentless. It's an invasive grass from Africa so drought and heat don't hurt it. you can solarize it but as soon as you move the plastic it's back within a week. It will climb up raised beds, on concrete, and in gravel. It spreads via runners, seeds, and roots if you don't have please don't plant it. I wish I could give some advice on the quackgrass but it looks like we all are facing an uphill battle with grass.
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Jul 19, 2016 2:58 AM CST
Name: Caroline Scott
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My experience is that digging just spreads the quack grass.
In some areas it can be slowed by covering with papers and cardboard and mulch, but in some areas spraying or painting is the only way.
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Jul 19, 2016 7:24 AM CST
Name: Betty
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I totally agree with Caroline, tried digging out quack grass for many years and it would spread because it is impossible to remove all the runners plus any tiny pieces that break off will grow. Finally I got tired of the hopeless task and got information on using fusillade II spray, it works the only thing that works against quack grass in my garden. Covering it here did not work as it sent its runners under the cover and would pop up wherever it wanted to grow.
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Jul 19, 2016 8:57 AM CST
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Name: Sharon
McGregor IA (Zone 4b)
It doesn't seem to grow under the driveway! Billy Porter, are you still doing the border patrol successfully? That seems to be the only non chemical solution.
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Jul 19, 2016 11:05 AM CST
Name: Sally
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Bermuda grass sounds positively horrible!

Caroline,
Digging will spread it if you don't sort out each and every root. And that is what I did.

Caitlinsgarden,
Yes I am! I had to dig it out of the asparagus this spring. It got started when I had the compost pile by it and I didn't see it happening. But I'll get it under control too!
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Jul 19, 2016 3:06 PM CST
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Name: Sharon
McGregor IA (Zone 4b)
How would digging spread it? it already sends up numerous spikes from the runners whether it is a partial runner or the whole thing. I would think that getting most of it out, would be better than nothing? Maybe what you are referring to is roto-tilling it into hundreds of pieces without getting them out? Asparagus is bad I always mulch heavily.
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Jul 19, 2016 3:41 PM CST
Name: Tara
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Roots can reach down 12-18", maybe more. Unless you get all of it, at that depth...It will continue to grow. Vigorously.
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Jul 19, 2016 4:55 PM CST
Name: Connie
Edmonton, Alberta area (Canada (Zone 3a)
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Flowerbeds? Or vegetable gardening. I would tackle each differently. Here's what I do for my flowerbeds, and trust me, we do have quack grass here!

First and most important, mulch! I use bark mulch. A thick layer of it. I use the biggest size, which makes it easier when you're moving plants around. That small chunk stuff isn't easy to stop falling into the holes you dig when things are being transplanted.

Secondly, a border to stop the bark mulch from being all over the lawn. Lately, I've been picking up peoples' renovation leftovers of their stone brick tiles, real cheap, off Kijiji, etc. I line the flowerbeds with it. Looks great! Underneath the tiles, I use something to block the quack grass from coming up between the tiles, like cardboard cut in lengths to fit underneath.

Thirdly, patrol!!! Every day, take a walk through your flowerbeds, checking for weeds or grass. You're probably out there anyways, deadheading flowers or watering or just enjoying what's there. I know I am. The quack grass will still come up! But...! Using these three steps, I do very little grass pulling now. I do have one area that I have hens & chicks in so I can't use bark mulch in those areas and that's where I do most of the patrolling and pulling of every single little grass leaf that dares to poke their little heads up. But even that amounts to only about five minutes every two days.

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Jul 19, 2016 5:05 PM CST
Name: Connie
Edmonton, Alberta area (Canada (Zone 3a)
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Now, I don't have a vegetable garden, but I do have three rows of raspberries. When I created that patch, first I lined the rows between with that black landscaping paper that blocks weeds. Then I topped that with a few inches of bark mulch. Within two years, I ended up stealing the bark mulch for flowerbeds (I kept expanding. *Blush* ). So, the cheaper option:. Every time I mowed the lawns, I dumped the grass clippings between the raspberry cane rows. I learned that a thick layer of those grass clippings really works well to keep the weeds down. Have to keep adding more, because the grass clippings eventually break down and go into the soil, which is also a really good thing! Smiling now I mulch my strawberry patch with grass clippings as well.
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Jul 20, 2016 5:20 AM CST
Name: Sally
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Caitlinsgarden,
I have wondered abut mulching the asparagus. What do you use, how thick?

Tara,
They do indeed. I find when I start to dig into the grass I loosen the dirt and follow the root, continuously loosening as I go till I can get the whole thing. That's how I get it all and keep it out.

Connie,
I like your style. I have to dig flowers up and clean them before replanting to get the grass out of a flower bed. If I get my beds the way I want them then I do mulch. I like the bark chips. Cypress will hold onto itself but it's not pretty so I only use it under the grapes. I have a long line of them and it's cheaper.
LOVE the picture! Beautiful bed and cat!
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Jul 20, 2016 5:40 AM CST
Name: Connie
Edmonton, Alberta area (Canada (Zone 3a)
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Thanks, Sally!
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Jul 25, 2016 8:18 AM CST
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Name: Sharon
McGregor IA (Zone 4b)
Wow, I really like the look of this border. Have you ever used heavy duty weed barrier fabric? I would put the mulch and pavers on top just for looks. Something else I am experimenting with, inside the border - light weight fabric cloth with a few holes that you overplant with sedum acre, hens and chicks, etc. and can lift and weed underneath and put back down. This has happened by itself in places, and I think it has a lot of possibilities with shallow rooted ground covers...



conniepr27 said:Flowerbeds? Or vegetable gardening. I would tackle each differently. Here's what I do for my flowerbeds, and trust me, we do have quack grass here!

First and most important, mulch! I use bark mulch. A thick layer of it. I use the biggest size, which makes it easier when you're moving plants around. That small chunk stuff isn't easy to stop falling into the holes you dig when things are being transplanted.

Secondly, a border to stop the bark mulch from being all over the lawn. Lately, I've been picking up peoples' renovation leftovers of their stone brick tiles, real cheap, off Kijiji, etc. I line the flowerbeds with it. Looks great! Underneath the tiles, I use something to block the quack grass from coming up between the tiles, like cardboard cut in lengths to fit underneath.

Thirdly, patrol!!! Every day, take a walk through your flowerbeds, checking for weeds or grass. You're probably out there anyways, deadheading flowers or watering or just enjoying what's there. I know I am. The quack grass will still come up! But...! Using these three steps, I do very little grass pulling now. I do have one area that I have hens & chicks in so I can't use bark mulch in those areas and that's where I do most of the patrolling and pulling of every single little grass leaf that dares to poke their little heads up. But even that amounts to only about five minutes every two days.

Open this up for the wide view:

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Jul 25, 2016 8:21 AM CST
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Name: Sharon
McGregor IA (Zone 4b)
Asparagus - anything! As thick as possible. Straw, grass clippings, weeds...As long as it is not a solid barrier (like weed fabric), the asparagus will grow through it.


billyporter said:Caitlinsgarden,
I have wondered abut mulching the asparagus. What do you use, how thick?

Tara,
They do indeed. I find when I start to dig into the grass I loosen the dirt and follow the root, continuously loosening as I go till I can get the whole thing. That's how I get it all and keep it out.

Connie,
I like your style. I have to dig flowers up and clean them before replanting to get the grass out of a flower bed. If I get my beds the way I want them then I do mulch. I like the bark chips. Cypress will hold onto itself but it's not pretty so I only use it under the grapes. I have a long line of them and it's cheaper.
LOVE the picture! Beautiful bed and cat!
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Jul 25, 2016 8:35 AM CST
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Name: Sharon
McGregor IA (Zone 4b)
I just found a tutorial on quack grass that I printed out - all 18 pages!

http://oacc.info/Docs/Quackgra...

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