Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum: Proper pronunciation of 'Cebenese'

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Name: Paul
AV, southern California
Zone 8B/9A, Mojave Desert
Region: California
cahdg6891
Jul 21, 2016 8:40 PM CST
How does one say 'Cebenese' properly? Does it rhyme with 'Lebanese' or is it 'seh-ben-eh-say' Confused I use them interchangeably but just realized I don't know the correct pronunciation *Blush*
Name: Patty
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Patty
Jul 21, 2016 9:59 PM CST
I thought it was SEE-ben-eez Shrug!
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jul 22, 2016 8:11 AM CST

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I pronounce it as rhyming with 'Lebanese', but with a short 'e' sound in place of the a.
@JungleShadows
Kevin how do you say it?
Name: Jo Ann Mc Brayer
NW Oregon (Zone 8a)
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ricos
Jul 23, 2016 12:47 AM CST
I say it the same as Lynn but have no idea if that is really correct.
Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
JungleShadows
Jul 23, 2016 4:04 PM CST
seb' en eez is how I do it!

Kevin
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jul 23, 2016 4:26 PM CST

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Hurray! Hurray! Thank you Kevin. Group hug
Name: Paul
AV, southern California
Zone 8B/9A, Mojave Desert
Region: California
cahdg6891
Jul 23, 2016 6:30 PM CST
Rhyming with 'Lebanese' it shall be Green Grin! thank you all!
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Jul 26, 2016 7:51 PM CST
Good question! Thanks Kevin for answer! We keep you busy on here don't we Rolling on the floor laughing
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JoopHuyslook
Aug 2, 2016 5:59 AM CST
The whole discussion is futile, because the correct spelling is 'Cebenense'. The Latin ending -ensis for masculine and feminine nouns and -ense for neuter nouns means something like 'originating from'. Cebenense hence means: originating from the Cévennes, a mountain chain in the Southern part of the Massif Central in France. Sempervivum nevadense has the same ending, it comes from the Sierra Nevada in Spain.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Aug 2, 2016 8:24 AM CST

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Kevin, I am not at home. How is it spelled in your original catalogue? @JungleShadows
Hen and Chicks (Sempervivum tectorum (cebennense))
and
Hen and Chicks (Sempervivum arachnoideum 'Cebenese')

One a tectorum and the other the arachnoideum named by Helen Payne. Is our arach spelled wrong in the database?
Name: Paul
AV, southern California
Zone 8B/9A, Mojave Desert
Region: California
cahdg6891
Aug 2, 2016 1:12 PM CST
JoopHuyslook, thank you for that information and the proper declensions!
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Name: Kevin Vaughn
Salem OR (Zone 8a)
JungleShadows
Aug 2, 2016 5:09 PM CST
In the US it has been spelled 'Cebenese'. I have a 1977 catalog of Betty Bronow so it has been distributed under that spelling at least that long! Betty sent it to Polly way back then so I have seen it for years. For a full cobweb it's rather good-sized.

Kevin

Name: Paul
AV, southern California
Zone 8B/9A, Mojave Desert
Region: California
cahdg6891
Aug 2, 2016 5:23 PM CST
I always thought it was a cultivar/hybrid, no idea it was a wild-form. Big Grin the punctuation with the name always struck me as a cultivar name.
Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Aug 2, 2016 5:23 PM CST

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The correction has been made. Thank you Kevin.
I know in Helen Payne's book it is spelled Cebenese.

Hi JoopHuyslook, and welcome to NGA. Also thank you for adding information to the conversation.
What part of the world are you in? Would love to see photos of you semps.
Name: Paul
AV, southern California
Zone 8B/9A, Mojave Desert
Region: California
cahdg6891
Aug 2, 2016 6:38 PM CST
I'll have to make a note in my notebook. And adjust my pronunciation and plant labels accordingly Hilarious!
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Aug 3, 2016 11:42 AM CST

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Paul, we have had a number of semps that have been around for decades with wrong spellings. It is really fun when Kevin @JunlgeShadows
is able to help us with what the original name was. Many of them he knows personally, some because of the catalogs, etc that he has from the old times.
Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Aug 3, 2016 3:28 PM CST
Hello JoopHuyslook Welcome! to you! Another thing which makes this confusing, as stated above, people name their cultivars in fake latin sounding names so the meaning is incorrect or not applicable. Shrug!
Oh well, we are trying to get, and keep, these semps labelled correctly Thumbs up
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Name: Jo Ann Mc Brayer
NW Oregon (Zone 8a)
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ricos
Aug 9, 2016 5:37 PM CST
Thank you @JoopHuyslook. That name has always looked funny to me. Cebenense makes more sence. But what do I know. I thought my one called grandiflora Keston sounded like a reasonable name untill the label company spelled it Kestonii. That opened a can of worms. Now it can't be grandiflora anything because it is not fuzzy.
Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Aug 11, 2016 1:22 PM CST

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I think the confusion comes from two names having somewhat similar spellings.
Cebenense, which is a species of tectorum, and the name given to an arachnoideum type semp by Helen Payne, which we know as 'Cebenese'.
Two completely different semps. Smiling
Name: Paul
AV, southern California
Zone 8B/9A, Mojave Desert
Region: California
cahdg6891
Aug 11, 2016 2:21 PM CST
Oh, yes. I should have been more specific in my original post and mentioned that I was talking about the arachnoideum *Blush* Sticking tongue out

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