Plant ID forum: Datura or brugmansia

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Name: Mika
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cliftoncat
Jul 29, 2016 10:47 AM CST
We have a plant which I sometimes think is a datura and at other times that it's a brugmansia. I have read that brugmansia blooms point down, and datura up. Ours are mostly horizontal, sometimes a bit up and sometimes a bit down.
According to Wikipedia, daturas are herbaceous and do not grow higher than 4 feet, while brugmansias have a trunk. Our plant is over 12 feet tall and has a trunk.

I think the blooms on our plant are like datura blooms, but if the info is correct, the plant as a whole more closely meets the description of a brugmansia. Could it be a datura that doesn't die back in winter because we are frost free here (south of France)? Or some kind of hybrid?

This has puzzled me for a long time, so it would be nice to have the question resolved!

Bud (early June)
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New bloom (June)


Bloom colour gradually fades (today)
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Name: Deborah Pryor
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Deebie
Jul 29, 2016 10:54 AM CST
I'm almost positive that it's a brugmansia. The leaves don't look right for a datura. Hopefully someone else will give you a more definite ID shortly.
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Calif_Sue
Jul 29, 2016 10:58 AM CST

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I agree brugmansia
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Name: Mika
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cliftoncat
Jul 29, 2016 11:13 AM CST
Thank you! Is this a definite ID? I should have asked ages ago!
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Jessie6162
Jul 29, 2016 11:49 AM CST
Looks like brugmansia to me too.
Name: Tara
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terrafirma
Jul 29, 2016 11:53 AM CST
Me four! Smiling I agree
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Calif_Sue
Jul 29, 2016 5:28 PM CST

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Datura have flowers that point upwards. They do not get a woody stem and are mostly annuals.
Brugmansia grow into tall, semi-woody to woody shrubs or trees, and the flowers hang downwards from each node along the branches.
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crawgarden
Jul 29, 2016 5:41 PM CST
Brugmansia
Name: Signet
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signet
Jul 30, 2016 6:33 PM CST
No doubt about it . It is a brugmansia....... aka Angel's trumpet . Datura blooms do point up and brugmansias because of the size of the bloom mostly hang down . The flower on a datura can be about 3 or 4 inches wide . The brugmansia bloom is often around 10 inches long and tubular in shape. Brugmansia will have a very heady scent at night. It definitely has a trunk and will only bloom after your cutting forms a Y shape on the trunk . Datura is an annual while Brugmansia will continue to grow if brought inside for the winter in colder weather.
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Name: Tara
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terrafirma
Jul 30, 2016 8:17 PM CST
Datura may be an annual where you are, but they are true perennials in my neck of the woods! Datura is a perennial. http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?q=Datura&button=
Name: Signet
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signet
Aug 2, 2016 10:13 AM CST
Tara , I suppose I should correct myself . Daturas are self seeding annuals. That is to say they grow , flower , set seed and if you don't remove the seed head will reseed themselves . Where you are no doubt they reseed and set new plants all the time . Where I am they reseed and grow new plants each spring . Sorry for the confusion .
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