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Name: Daisy
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DaisyI
Aug 5, 2016 5:31 PM CST
This was on the NHK (Japan Broadcasting Corporation in English) today. Interesting reading

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20160805_37/

These won't show up at Home Depot.

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Name: Reine
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Reine
Aug 6, 2016 6:38 AM CST
Plant theft seems to be on the rise. Grumbling I can only imagine the amount that has not been reported. Sighing!

I'm wanting to sell some plants before fall, but I won't even consider selling at my home. I am looking at a few different options. Crossing Fingers!
Name: Deborah Pryor
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Deebie
Aug 6, 2016 9:39 AM CST
That is so shameful. Greed is at the heart of many. Too sad. Thumbs down
Name: Ed
NJ (Zone 6b)
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herrwood
Aug 7, 2016 3:53 PM CST
There should be additional punishment for stealing plants maybe some fire ants in their pants !!
Name: Daisy
Reno, Nv (Zone 6b)
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DaisyI
Aug 7, 2016 4:26 PM CST
What's really interesting is that the one man caught stealing the plants is being prosecuted for the equivalent of grand theft but his face is blurred in the security camera video footage. That has to do with Japanese privacy laws.
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Stush2019
Aug 9, 2016 9:52 AM CST
I saw some on Ebay selling for $3000.00. My mother used to say, 'That's when two fools meet, one for asking so much and the other for buying'. They are different but Japanese are noted for tricks to cause special effects, not too unlike our big box stores spray painting plants. They use birth control pills to weed poison to radiation to produce weird plants. Once produced, to see if they breed true. I must admit that I am taken in by such tricks. I love the weird types.
Name: Daisy
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DaisyI
Aug 9, 2016 11:41 AM CST
Will I hurt your feelings if I tell you the U.S. is the leader in that field (using radiation and chemicals to cause mutations in plants) followed by Europe and Russia? My personal favorite is Calrose rice, developed in California in the 1970's.

The Haworthia growers are independent farmers who have been thoughtfully breeding their plants for generations. The Japanese are world renowned for their plant breeding programs - all done the old fashioned way.
Name: Baja
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Baja_Costero
Aug 9, 2016 4:23 PM CST
Breeding is something that takes a lot of time and insight and experimentation. Speaking as a total amateur, I admire the people who dedicate themselves to the long road. The prices on some of these plants may be obscene but they do reflect some sort of recognition in the marketplace for rarity and exclusivity. As does the interest by thieves.

It's actually really hard to get anything good out of irradiating plants (or pick your poison, with the same desired effect). This I can say having spent some years making mutants on purpose to study things. Mother nature generates a pretty good amount of variation on her own (to be exploited by breeding). Your average induced mutant is either dead or seriously defective, very very rarely is it different in a way you care about. You'd have to grow more than a million plants to have a hope of seeing something specific. And more than likely also backcross any trait which might arise. Kind of a hard way to go, not practical in reality.

The genetic manipulation that takes place on the largest scale (beyond breeding, of course) is when they put in genes for certain things. For example the Roundup ready products by Monsanto which are resistant to a herbicide, allowing for the whole field to be sprayed without killing the crops. Of course when you do this and select on a massive scale (zillions of plants), you will find those genes can travel to weedy plants and render the whole scheme ineffective, and that is the real-world result with those products. It was always an I-told-you-so sort of situation, just a matter of when. Anyway, none of this has been applied to succulents.
Name: 'CareBear'

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Stush2019
Aug 10, 2016 4:38 PM CST
Yes I might have misspoke. I was informed this from a friend on Sanseveria and have no proof what so ever. I do know from years past that some one in Germany used radiating maple trees to produce variegation. And I do believe we are the worse to use short cuts to get fast results. Thank you Daisy and Baja for setting the record straight.
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