Epiphyllums forum: What have I got?

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Name: Ken Ramsey
Starkville, MS (Zone 8a)
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drdawg
Aug 9, 2016 4:08 PM CST
I got some cuttings last fall, but a couple of the plants have grown out differently than the rest. These were all labeled Epi. Oxipetalum. Does the Oxipetalum grow with two different leaf forms, one flat and one triangular?

Thumb of 2016-08-09/drdawg/43876b Thumb of 2016-08-09/drdawg/bec65d flat-leaf form


Thumb of 2016-08-09/drdawg/ebdfc1 Thumb of 2016-08-09/drdawg/34aa5c triangular form

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Name: Carol
Santa Ana,Ca. (Zone 10b)
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ctcarol
Aug 9, 2016 4:14 PM CST
First pic. looks like Epi. Oxypetallum
Second could any of the other large flowered hybrids. Many have both triangular and flat leaves.
Name: Ken Ramsey
Starkville, MS (Zone 8a)
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drdawg
Aug 9, 2016 4:20 PM CST
Ok, thanks, Carol. So there are two leaf forms associated with the Oxypetallum. How peculiar, but then, I don't know a thing about these Epi. I will just leave them all labeled the same.
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Name: Steve
Perth, Western Australia
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Hillsepicacti
Aug 9, 2016 7:14 PM CST
Your first 2 pics are E.Oxypetalum but the second 2 pics are definitely not and would be a day blooming epi hybrid of some sort.
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ctcarol
Aug 9, 2016 8:10 PM CST
Thanks Steve! I should have said first SET and second SET of pictures. Sorry if I confused you, Ken.
Name: Ken Ramsey
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drdawg
Aug 9, 2016 8:13 PM CST
OK, so I guess I will never know since all I have are the labels that came with the cuttings. You are saying the Epi. Oxypetalum will present with only these triangular leaves (are they called three-lobed leaves?) and not flat leaves, right? I can tell you that one of these (flat leaved) plants has already bloomed, a night bloomer, and the flowers looked exactly like those I see posted of the Oxypetalum.
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Name: Carol
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ctcarol
Aug 9, 2016 8:33 PM CST
No, Ken. E. Oxypetalum is the one with the flat leaves. The day blooming Epi. hybrids have both, but the flat leaves on them are usually thicker than the E. oxy. The other night bloomers I'm not familiar with.
Name: Carol
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ctcarol
Aug 9, 2016 8:55 PM CST
Ok! They say a picture is worth a thousand words.

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Epi. Oxypetalum a 1/2 block from me in a 5gal. pot in full southern exposure. Last week when I drove by it had about 15 spent blooms hanging from it

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Some of my day bloomers in baskets, afternoon western exposure. If you look closely, you can see the tri lobed leaves on the large basket, and on the Akermanii cross hanging from it
Name: Steve
Perth, Western Australia
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Hillsepicacti
Aug 10, 2016 2:29 AM CST
Good one Carol.
In fact I would say Ken's triangular grower could be Ackermannii hybridus...maybe.
Name: Ken Ramsey
Starkville, MS (Zone 8a)
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drdawg
Aug 10, 2016 6:36 AM CST
OK, thanks for the clarification, Carol. That makes more sense. I am easily confused. D'Oh! Does the sun exposure make those leaves "white"?

I will take a look at info on the Ackermannii hybridus, Steve. Thanks.
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Name: Carol
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ctcarol
Aug 10, 2016 11:47 AM CST
Ken, the full sun makes the leaves yellow.
The Ackermanii hybridus is the small thorny one hanging from the 24" basket. The leaves are much narrower and darker green than the large NOID Epi. in the big basket. The big one , and some of my other Epis also have the triangular leaves. Maybe some dragon fruit in their genes?
Name: Carol
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ctcarol
Aug 10, 2016 12:42 PM CST
Here are two others for example. Some start out triangular, then flatten out as they age.
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Name: Ken Ramsey
Starkville, MS (Zone 8a)
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drdawg
Aug 10, 2016 1:17 PM CST
My plant with the triangular lobed leaves have no thorns. There are very fine "hairs" in the notches, but that's it.
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Name: Carol
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ctcarol
Aug 10, 2016 3:38 PM CST
Since most Epis are hybrids, it just depends on the parentage. In those last two I posted, both are orange, large flowers from different sources. You can see the few fine thorns on the first one , but the second one has none.
Name: Ken Ramsey
Starkville, MS (Zone 8a)
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drdawg
Aug 10, 2016 3:45 PM CST
Do I simply label this particular one, Ackermanii hybridus or something else?
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Name: Carol
Santa Ana,Ca. (Zone 10b)
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ctcarol
Aug 10, 2016 3:50 PM CST
NOID Epiphyllum, for now. You'll know more when it blooms. It's NOT Ackermanii hybridus ,I don't think. http://garden.org/thread/view_post/1236810/
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Name: Ken Ramsey
Starkville, MS (Zone 8a)
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drdawg
Aug 10, 2016 5:11 PM CST
Got it. I will see what the flowers are then, whenever that event happens.
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Name: Steve
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Hillsepicacti
Aug 10, 2016 7:22 PM CST
Yep,you can never be sure until you see a bloom.

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