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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 13, 2011 3:51 AM CST
'Shirley Poppy' for the specie Papaver Rhoeas is confusing as it refers to a cultivar ?


Flanders Field Poppy (Papaver rhoeas)

http://www.seedaholic.com/papaver-rhoeas-shirley-poppy.html#
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Oct 13, 2011 6:53 AM CST
I think those two last entries that read (Papaver rhoeas 'Shirley Poppy') all in parentheses need to be deleted http://garden.org/plants/search/text.php?q=Papaver+rhoeas

Myriam: You can delete them by clicking on the names, scrolling down the page and click on delete this plant. A proposal will go to the moderators to have those entries removed. Smiling

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Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Oct 13, 2011 7:05 AM CST

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Yes, 'Shirley Poppy' is a cultivar, not a common name. I'll make the edits.
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Oct 13, 2011 7:06 AM CST

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I also deleted the other two duplicates. Smiling
Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Oct 13, 2011 7:06 AM CST
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Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 13, 2011 7:46 AM CST
I'm confused now.. Hilarious!
I wanted to create a new entry for Papaver rhoeas 'Shirley Poppy' to move the pictures of Threegardeners as they are clearly not the specie.
Maybe I forgot to ask for the new entry, i'll have a look..

Link to the site where I found the right name for them
http://www.seedaholic.com/papaver-rhoeas-shirley-poppy.html#
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 13, 2011 7:47 AM CST
I have no possibility to find out of my proposal for the new entry...
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 13, 2011 7:57 AM CST
Ah I found it, it seems my entry Papaver Rhoeas Shirley Poppy has been approved off but then when I click on it, it isn't there.. ??
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Oct 13, 2011 8:19 AM CST

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Myriam, it turned out that we had 3 entries for this specific plant, so I deleted the duplicates.

The final and only entry for Shirley Poppy is now here:

Flanders Field Poppy (Papaver rhoeas)
Name: Lee Anne Stark
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threegardeners
Oct 13, 2011 8:25 AM CST
I think that the Shirley Poppy cultivar should have it's own entry. The Shirley poppies were derived from the original wild Papaver Rhoeas.

From wikipedia:

"The Shirley poppy was created from 1880 onwards by the Reverend William Wilks, vicar of the parish of Shirley in England. Wilks found in a corner of his garden where it adjoined arable fields, a variant of the field poppy that had a narrow white border around the petals. By careful selection and hybridization over many years he obtained a strain of poppies ranging in colour from white and pale lilac to pink and red, and unlike the wild poppies these had no dark blotches at the base of the petals. Further selection has given rise to semi-double and double forms, as well as flowers with a ring of contrasting colour around the edge: the picotee form."
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 13, 2011 8:34 AM CST
I agree with Anne Lark, The Shirley poppies should have its own entry..
The wild specie Papaver rhoeas is clearly different, always have 4 dark black spots in the centre and always is fiercely red..
Name: Lee Anne Stark
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threegardeners
Oct 13, 2011 8:45 AM CST
yep..

1) Papaver rhoeas (Flanders Field Poppy)
2) Papaver rhoeas (Shirley Poppy)
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Oct 13, 2011 8:55 AM CST

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Fine by me. You are more familiar with this than me, so go ahead and make it happen and I'll approve the proposal(s).
Name: Lee Anne Stark
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threegardeners
Oct 13, 2011 8:59 AM CST
It won't let me create a new one...keeps saying it already exists. I *think* you need to remove the Shirley Poppy part from the above link in order for me to create a new one.
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 13, 2011 9:00 AM CST
Thanks Dave! Smiling
Name: Lee Anne Stark
Brockville, Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
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threegardeners
Oct 13, 2011 9:01 AM CST
I agree Thanks Dave!
Name: Dave Whitinger
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dave
Oct 13, 2011 9:09 AM CST

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threegardeners said:It won't let me create a new one...keeps saying it already exists. I *think* you need to remove the Shirley Poppy part from the above link in order for me to create a new one.


What fields are you entering? Tell me the common, genus, species and cultivar that you are entering in.
Name: Lee Anne Stark
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threegardeners
Oct 13, 2011 9:12 AM CST
It's ok now that you approved my submission. I just added the new plant and will edit when approved. The, I'll need to propose my photos be moved to the new one.
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Oct 13, 2011 9:19 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Jacksonville, Texas (Zone 8b)
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dave
Oct 13, 2011 9:36 AM CST

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