Post a reply

Avatar for RedSonja
Aug 15, 2016 6:17 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Diane Mckee
Florida (Zone 10a)
Hello everyone. I have a problem succulent that I am unable to identify. I think it might be a type of haworthia but I'm not sure. Unfortunately my go to nursery does not label their plants. This one was in the haworthia shed and has many of the characteristics of that family. However, I've been to every haworthia site around and can't find any matches. Any help would be appreciated.
Thumb of 2016-08-16/RedSonja/56457b
Image
Aug 15, 2016 7:46 PM CST
Moderator
Name: Baja
Baja California (Zone 11b)
Cactus and Succulents Seed Starter Xeriscape Container Gardener Hummingbirder Native Plants and Wildflowers
Garden Photography Region: Mexico Plant Identifier Forum moderator Plant Database Moderator Garden Ideas: Level 2
That is a Dyckia (terrestrial bromeliad) not a succulent. The flowers are great hummingbird magnets.
Image
Aug 16, 2016 7:12 AM CST
Name: 'CareBear'

Amaryllis Cactus and Succulents Dog Lover Hostas Irises Region: Pennsylvania
Sempervivums
Agreed, another name is 'Earth Star'. 'Cryptanthus' which is in the Bromeliad family. I was lucky to find one at my local Wal-Marts for only $3.98.

Thumb of 2016-08-16/Stush2019/064264
Avatar for Deebie
Aug 16, 2016 7:29 AM CST
Name: Deborah
midstate South Carolina (Zone 8a)
Don't Sweat the Small Stuff!
Charter ATP Member Amaryllis Tropicals Plant and/or Seed Trader Seed Starter Plumerias
Plant Identifier Peonies Lilies Irises Hummingbirder Echinacea
That's beautiful. Lovely eye candy.:hearts: Drooling I'd love to find that.
Image
Aug 16, 2016 7:37 AM CST
Name: Gene Staver
Portage WI 53901 (Zone 5a)
Annuals Houseplants Herbs Cat Lover Garden Photography Cactus and Succulents
Butterflies Birds Hummingbirder Garden Sages
Stush, I believe Baja is correct about it being a Dyckia and also that yours is not a Dyckia. Gene
Image
Aug 16, 2016 9:07 AM CST
Name: Tiffany purpleinopp
Opp, AL @--`--,----- ๐ŸŒน (Zone 8b)
Region: United States of America Houseplants Overwinters Tender Plants Indoors Garden Sages Plant Identifier Garden Ideas: Level 2
Organic Gardener Composter Miniature Gardening Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Tender Perennials Butterflies
Yes, Cryptanthus & Dyckia are different genera.
The golden rule: Do to others only that which you would have done to you.
๐Ÿ‘€๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜‚ - SMILE! -โ˜บ๐Ÿ˜Žโ˜ปโ˜ฎ๐Ÿ‘ŒโœŒโˆžโ˜ฏ
The only way to succeed is to try!
๐Ÿฃ๐Ÿฆ๐Ÿ”๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿพ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒป๐ŸŒธ๐ŸŒผ๐ŸŒน
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The 2nd best time is now. (-Unknown)
๐Ÿ‘’๐ŸŽ„๐Ÿ‘ฃ๐Ÿก๐Ÿƒ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒพ๐ŸŒฟ๐Ÿโฆโง๐Ÿ๐Ÿ‚๐ŸŒฝโ€โ˜€ โ˜•๐Ÿ‘“๐Ÿ
Try to be more valuable than a bad example.
Avatar for RedSonja
Aug 17, 2016 5:36 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Diane Mckee
Florida (Zone 10a)
Thanks everyone. I live in Miami Florida and have an extensive bromeliad garden but never considered this specimen as one of that family. It's pupping like a bromo. No blooms yet.
Image
Aug 18, 2016 9:30 AM CST
Name: 'CareBear'

Amaryllis Cactus and Succulents Dog Lover Hostas Irises Region: Pennsylvania
Sempervivums
Yes you guys are correct. Thank you.
Image
Aug 18, 2016 11:25 AM CST
Name: Gene Staver
Portage WI 53901 (Zone 5a)
Annuals Houseplants Herbs Cat Lover Garden Photography Cactus and Succulents
Butterflies Birds Hummingbirder Garden Sages
Warning: Dyckia can be addictive. Gene
Image
Aug 18, 2016 2:19 PM CST
Moderator
Name: Baja
Baja California (Zone 11b)
Cactus and Succulents Seed Starter Xeriscape Container Gardener Hummingbirder Native Plants and Wildflowers
Garden Photography Region: Mexico Plant Identifier Forum moderator Plant Database Moderator Garden Ideas: Level 2
Okay, so evidently there are a few Dyckia enthusiasts in the room. Smiling Here are a few pictures from my patio showing some of my favorites. The first four plants are seedlings grown from my plants. The second plant is offspring of the last plant, actually, and I suspect the difference in color is mostly due to exposure (the seedling is in 50% shade, the mother in all-day sun). They hybridize freely so there's some guessing involved.

You can tell with the bigger plants that I give them some harsh treatment (day-long sun and watering along with the succulents, when they go dry).

Thumb of 2016-08-18/Baja_Costero/835dc6 Thumb of 2016-08-18/Baja_Costero/468ecb Thumb of 2016-08-18/Baja_Costero/2d7f3f
Thumb of 2016-08-18/Baja_Costero/f5368d Thumb of 2016-08-18/Baja_Costero/b7facb Thumb of 2016-08-18/Baja_Costero/fa058d
Image
Aug 18, 2016 2:34 PM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
Pollen collector Fruit Growers Permaculture Hybridizer Plant and/or Seed Trader Organic Gardener
Daylilies Region: South Carolina Garden Ideas: Level 2 Garden Photography Herbs Region: United States of America
Are there any Dyckia cultivars that are hardy to around 10F? All I've been reading is they are hardy to 20F with some being more cold tolerant but can't find what "some" they are talking about.
๐ŸŒฟA weed is a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered๐ŸŒฟ
Image
Aug 18, 2016 3:56 PM CST
Name: 'CareBear'

Amaryllis Cactus and Succulents Dog Lover Hostas Irises Region: Pennsylvania
Sempervivums
Dan, You could try covering them on the cold nights. Use of some heat tape under the mulch? How often do you have below 20 degress nights? Or bring them in for the cold months to be on the safe side.
Baja, I purchased some Dyckia seeds on ebay and most sprouted for me and then took forever to grow. After one year, I was lucky to have any over 1 inch. I over watered one winter night and that's all it took, Next day all dead with rot. Trouble with growing seeds indoors during winter months. Too dry then too wet. My Aloes are much more hardy to water and dry spells.
Image
Aug 18, 2016 5:11 PM CST
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
Pollen collector Fruit Growers Permaculture Hybridizer Plant and/or Seed Trader Organic Gardener
Daylilies Region: South Carolina Garden Ideas: Level 2 Garden Photography Herbs Region: United States of America
Thanks for the info CareBear but we experience a lot of days below 20 and the last thing I need is another plant I have to bring in or do anything special for.
๐ŸŒฟA weed is a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered๐ŸŒฟ
Image
Aug 18, 2016 7:57 PM CST
Moderator
Name: Baja
Baja California (Zone 11b)
Cactus and Succulents Seed Starter Xeriscape Container Gardener Hummingbirder Native Plants and Wildflowers
Garden Photography Region: Mexico Plant Identifier Forum moderator Plant Database Moderator Garden Ideas: Level 2
I can't speak for cold hardiness but my advice for growing these plants from seed would be to use a mix of about half pumice or equivalent, provide strong light (hours of daily sun indoors, maybe some filtered light outdoors), water every 3-4 days (in say a shallow 4 inch pot), and employ a healthy dose of patience. It takes about 2 years to arrive at a full-sized rosette. Most of the lag is early on. Flowers generally only appear around the time the head starts dividing (for the ones which do this).

I start all my seedlings on sunny SW-facing windowsills and my Dyckias get the exact same treatment I give the aloes and other succulents. Hopefully that helps. The most important thing I would say is probably strong light. They also enjoy regular water and do not enjoy going quite as dry for quite as long compared to succulents. I was unable to water a bunch of these plants (including some year old seedlings) for 3 months this past winter. They didn't actually die but they never recovered either. The succulents which went through the same experience may have looked equally awful but they bounced back better afterward.
Avatar for RedSonja
Aug 20, 2016 6:16 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Diane Mckee
Florida (Zone 10a)
After reading everyone's posts, I think I need more of these guys. Yeah, Dyckias are addictive. They also seem to be iguana resistant. A very big problem (4-5 foot) in my area. They eat everything. Though they do leave most of the bromeliads alone. A very invasive species. I keep all my succulents and cacti in the front yard where they keep out of. If you can't beat them, plant something indigestible.
Image
Aug 20, 2016 6:38 PM CST
Moderator
Name: Baja
Baja California (Zone 11b)
Cactus and Succulents Seed Starter Xeriscape Container Gardener Hummingbirder Native Plants and Wildflowers
Garden Photography Region: Mexico Plant Identifier Forum moderator Plant Database Moderator Garden Ideas: Level 2
The succulent Euphorbias taste pretty horrible to the squirrels, bunnies, and mice that snack on succulents here... one try and they don't come back for more. I have been planting a bunch of them for that reason. Maybe the Euphorbias would be iguana-proof too. Dyckias tend to be pretty well armed (those marginal spines) but maybe when the animals are hungry enough, they don't care. I've never seen them try one here, when they have juicy Aeoniums and aloes to eat instead.
Avatar for RedSonja
Aug 20, 2016 7:40 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Diane Mckee
Florida (Zone 10a)
Crown of Thorns grows pretty prolific down here. Any suggestions for zone 10 ?I really like some of the euphorbia lactea but I'm not sure I want to be feeding some kinda pricey plants to the lizards. Btw, they're cool in a Jurassic park sorta way. Just trying to coexist.
Image
Aug 21, 2016 11:02 AM CST
Moderator
Name: Baja
Baja California (Zone 11b)
Cactus and Succulents Seed Starter Xeriscape Container Gardener Hummingbirder Native Plants and Wildflowers
Garden Photography Region: Mexico Plant Identifier Forum moderator Plant Database Moderator Garden Ideas: Level 2
Yeah, lizards are cool. We have lots of little ones around here, no iguanas. I don't think they are herbivores, which makes them my friends in the garden. Smiling

The Euphorbias I would recommend (in addition to the crown of thorns) include, in no particular order

trigona (highly branched shrub for years, eventually a tree)
tirucalli (orange version is a shrub, green version becomes a tree)
polygona (cactus-like clumper) & its kin horrida and anoplia
susannae (many bumpy stems in a mound)
bupleurifolia (small deciduous caudiciform)
flanaganii (most common medusa)
resinifera (mound-forming, very impressive with age)
makallensis (similar habit to previous)
grandicornis (big-horn spines, forms large well-armed shrub)

But I have no idea about their cold tolerance. You might want to check out this article on the subject.


And it's probably a good idea to point out that the succulent Euphorbias which taste bad to bunnies can also be a bit hazardous to humans. Avoid touching the sap and especially getting it in your eyes. Of the above plants I would think the most hazardous in this respect would be tirucalli and resinifera.

The latter makes a compound called resiniferatoxin which acts like the active ingredient in hot peppers (causing the same sensation of heat), but several hundred times stronger... it is in fact the most potent agonist of the relevant receptor known to science. A little nerd fact for you there about the succulent Euphorbias. Hotter than the hottest chile! Anyway, interesting side note here, that class of chemicals apparently has no effect on birds (who presumably spread the seeds), which I would imagine does not bode well for them working on iguanas. Only one way to find out I suppose.
Last edited by Abigail May 17, 2021 3:45 PM Icon for preview
Avatar for RedSonja
Aug 30, 2016 6:32 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Diane Mckee
Florida (Zone 10a)
Thanks. I've researched all the plants you suggested and they look like excellent choices. I'm gonna start slowly and see if they make it. Thanks again. I really like this forum. Great help everyone!
Only the members of the Members group may reply to this thread.
  • Started by: RedSonja
  • Replies: 18, views: 1,163
Member Login:

( No account? Join now! )

Today's site banner is by Murky and is called "Pink and Yellow Tulips"

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.