Sempervivum and Jovibarba forum: Fame Monstrose and Fantasy

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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Aug 16, 2016 10:18 PM CST
Hello semp folks, I have a question - I don't know the history as to why we are calling Fame Monstrose two different things?
In Europe they call it 'Fantasy' which I like that name and would vote for us calling it that - but is there any reason we continue calling it 'Fame montrose' ? Just being curious
Thanks in advance for any info.
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Aug 16, 2016 11:18 PM CST

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Great question Greg. Let us see what we can come up with.

Nicholas Moore / GB / 1962 / in 'FANTASY' renamed Ed Skrocki / USA / 1977 / Description Erwin Geiger: A Spot of 'Fame', which is offered in the US as 'Fame monstrous'. The monstrous rosettes form i.a. again normal offspring from.

This warrants more research.
'Fame' was introduced in 1962, so 'Fame Monstrose'/'Fantasy' had to have been found in 1977.
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Aug 17, 2016 9:15 AM CST
Lynn, so according to that, 'Fantasy' is a sport of 'Fame monstrose' so they are probably different...good to know! Thanks for the info Lynn
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springcolor
Aug 17, 2016 9:20 AM CST
Interesting, Thank You!
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valleylynn
Aug 17, 2016 9:51 AM CST

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I think it is all the same semp Greg.
Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Aug 17, 2016 5:35 PM CST
Ok then I vote to have us all call it the same thing - who do I talk to about that? nodding You know me, Mr pushy Hurray!
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springcolor
Aug 17, 2016 5:58 PM CST
I like the name 'fantasy'. It really is a beauty.
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Name: Greg Colucci
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gg5
Aug 17, 2016 8:49 PM CST
Julia we're going to have to begin a petition I think Rolling on the floor laughing
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webesemps
Aug 17, 2016 8:53 PM CST
You guys want to go with European name even though we are on this side of the pond?
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springcolor
Aug 17, 2016 9:26 PM CST
Well everything else is. But untimely it will be our wonderful experts that have the say.
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valleylynn
Aug 18, 2016 12:03 AM CST

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We still don't have the history on this. It was Ed Skrocki that named it in 1977. I wonder if he had 'Fame' and then found the sport that he named 'Fame Monstrose'.
I wonder if Kevin has any more information?
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Name: Greg Colucci
Seattle WA (Zone 8b)
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gg5
Aug 18, 2016 10:09 AM CST
Thanks Lynn, ok we'll wait to see I tip my hat to you.
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