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Aug 27, 2016 6:51 AM CST
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This volunteer didn't get pulled as a weed because I noticed its heavier leaves, it's only about 3-1/2 inches diameter, tiny flowers -- anyone have an idea what it might be.?
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Aug 27, 2016 8:47 AM CST
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
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The flowers look like from a Scrophularia sp.
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Aug 27, 2016 9:59 AM CST
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Requesting to move this to plant ID forum.
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Aug 27, 2016 12:21 PM CST
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I can see that the leaf shape is rather round but for some reason I want to suggest Lyre Leaf Sage or something similar.
Is the stem square? Are the back of the leaves tinged with purple?
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Aug 28, 2016 4:53 AM CST
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I agree with greene. Salvia lyrata leaves can vary a lot in shape. I've seen plants with more rounded leaves like this. Smiling

Lyreleaf Sage (Salvia lyrata)
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Aug 28, 2016 6:18 AM CST
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I'd thought about LL sage but that finished blooming at least 2 months ago here. Mobile's slightly warmer.
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Aug 28, 2016 6:46 AM CST
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Those look like cleistogamous flowers which are common on Salvia lyrata during the summer. They form a calyx but don't develop a corolla (petals) or exsert their pistil or stamens. They just self-pollinate and set seeds. Like you suggest, the pretty flowers (chasmogamous flowers) are usually limited to springtime. Smiling
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Aug 29, 2016 6:37 PM CST
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Have received some suggestions, but don't think I've gotten the right name of this plant yet - flower stem is very sturdy, back of leaves a lighter green, perhaps a slight tinge of purple. Would appreciate any further suggestions.
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Aug 29, 2016 7:55 PM CST
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The leaves look like a primrose?
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Aug 29, 2016 8:04 PM CST
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It does look like Primrose. It would be good to have a better view of the flowers. Can you get a better photo? Are they completely open? Or still buds? If no photos, what do they look like? Can you name another plant that has similar flowers?
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Aug 29, 2016 8:16 PM CST
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VesGoose you should not start a new thread for the same plant. Just keep posting to the same thread until you get an ID.
This is the original thread.
The thread "Mystery Plant" in Plant ID forum
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Aug 29, 2016 8:22 PM CST
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I have several of these in my yard as well, they have a small shallow root system and somewhat fuzzy leaves.
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Aug 30, 2016 1:22 PM CST
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here are some photos of some that's in my yard

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Aug 30, 2016 1:54 PM CST
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Daniel, that's not the same plant. The inflorescences are structured differently.
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Aug 30, 2016 3:53 PM CST
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I agree The first posted plant looks like Lyreleaf sage, Salvia lyrata. Thumbs up


Not sure about your plant, Daniel, but it is a different plant.
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Aug 30, 2016 4:15 PM CST
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VesGoose said:... flower stem is very sturdy...


To make an ID we need more than one photo so we ask questions. Sometimes lots of questions.
You have stated that the stem is sturdy, but please, is it square? Knowing that will help narrow the identification. Thank You!
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Aug 30, 2016 4:35 PM CST
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That second set looks like Elephantopus.
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Aug 30, 2016 8:17 PM CST
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Seems like Elephantopus has some anti-inflammatory properties about it so that a good thing. Is it Elephantopus carolinianus or Elephantopus tomentosus? I can't tell from the pics on the web.
Sorry about the mix up, VesGoose's plant looked similar to mine but now looking at them side by side I agree they are different.
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Aug 30, 2016 8:36 PM CST
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ediblelandscapingsc said: Seems like Elephantopus has some anti-inflammatory properties about it so that a good thing. Is it Elephantopus carolinianus or Elephantopus tomentosus? I can't tell from the pics on the web.
Sorry about the mix up, VesGoose's plant looked similar to mine but now looking at them side by side I agree they are different.

I don't think yours is Elephantopus carolinianus. I have E. carolinianus and it has large leaves up the stalk. There are four species in SC, E. carolinianus, E. elatus, E. nudatus and E. tomentosus.
Here is a dichotomous key, clicking on the individual name will give you a more detailed description of each.

http://www.efloras.org/florata...
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