Daylilies forum: How would you define this?

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Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Aug 31, 2016 8:30 AM CST
I'm not sure how to classify this. I have a daylily (Carousel Princess) that will be blooming in September. It has three or four fans. Two of the fans produced scapes and bloomed earlier in the summer. They stopped blooming weeks ago (most of the pods on those scapes have ripened). The current scape is on a fan that didn't have a scape earlier. So is this rebloom? Or just an extended blooming period? I've never had a plant do this before.
Name: Boyd Banks
Creston N.C. (Zone 6b)
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hillbilly
Aug 31, 2016 9:07 AM CST
It seems to be just a late blooming fan,I have had it happen.
Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
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admmad
Aug 31, 2016 9:26 AM CST
I would consider it rebloom.

The American Hemerocallis Society defines reblooming as "Having more than one cycle of flowering per year". That would seem to apply to each cultivar rather than to each fan or plant of a cultivar. So if one had two clumps of the same cultivar and one clump started flowering in June and ended on July 1 and the second clump started flowering in August and ended on September 1 then that cultivar rebloomed.

One of the things that can happen is that a fan starts to produce a scape and then something happens to the scape and it dies (is aborted for some reason). It may be aborted while still very small and not seen by the gardener. The fan may then rebloom and it would appear as if it was the first scape. Of course, if it did not flower from the true first scape then that fan could not have shown more than one cycle of flowering in that year. Nevertheless, the clump could show a second cycle of flowering and therefore the cultivar rebloomed.

Researchers have determined that the majority (all the cultivars they tested, but with tens of thousands of cultivars it is impossible to be certain that they all act the same) of daylilies do not need to experience cold to flower and they do not need to experience specific day or night lengths to flower. That means that a daylily fan will more or less flower when it becomes "mature" (probably when it reaches larger than a specific size for that cultivar). That means that daylily fans may flower at any time of the year (when the weather is okay for growing) and they may do so repeatedly in a single year if they grow fast enough after flowering and it is not too late as far as good growing weather is concerned. I would have to assume that the arrival of winter does not set growth and development of scapes back to zero (it does not for example kill them), but it might if they are too large when killing temperatures arrive.
Maurice
Name: Cynthia (Cindy)
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Hemlady
Aug 31, 2016 10:29 AM CST
I had Vampire Lestat do the same thing this year. It bloomed its usual early bloom and then about 6 weeks later it sent up another scape. It only had about 5 buds on the later scape. This plant has never ever done this before.
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Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Aug 31, 2016 2:11 PM CST
Thanks everyone! I'm going to consider it a rebloom. I'm happy about that since I rarely ever get rebloom. As it stands, Carousel Princess will close out my season for me.
Name: Daniel Erdy
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ediblelandscapingsc
Aug 31, 2016 2:30 PM CST
I hope I get a rebloom scape on my Carousel Princess , it's a lovely little flower. What did you cross yours with Elena? I used Jo Barbre as a pollen parent on Carousel Princess and just harvested the 2 pods I got last week. 1 had 3 seeds and the other had only 1.
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Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Aug 31, 2016 7:55 PM CST
I crossed it with a bunch of different flowers but the squirrels have been harvesting the pods for me! But the ones that they've only nibbled on have had very few seeds also. I'm blaming the drought because it usually produces more seeds than that. So far the only known pod has been a cross with Global Affair. All the rest are unknown because they stole the tags too.
Name: Daniel Erdy
Catawba SC (Zone 7b)
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ediblelandscapingsc
Aug 31, 2016 8:16 PM CST
I'm not a huge dip fan but I like this one. Maybe next year I'll get more blooms to play with. Thanks for sharing it with me Thumbs up
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Name: Maurice
Grey County, Ontario (Zone 4b)
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admmad
Sep 1, 2016 6:34 AM CST
I do not know if this will work for squirrels but it has worked for two years for me with deer.

To prevent the animals from eating daylily buds, flower and pods I cut a piece of floating row cover in a square (its very lightweight, any light material that will let most, but not all, light through would probably work) and use a twist tie to "bag" the pod or scape branch, etc.

The spun "cloth" allows light through but hides what is inside and the deer leave the "bagged" pods (etc.) alone.

Material used for sheer curtains would probably work. Floating row covers come in different weights and I am using the second lightest one the supplier had.
Maurice
Name: Elena
NYC (Zone 7a)
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bxncbx
Sep 1, 2016 8:09 AM CST
Maurice your idea would probably work but I'm just letting them have at it. I did put Critter Ridder around the pods I really wanted and it kept them away. But I'm not that upset about losing the Carousel Princess pods since I've done crosses with it in the past. I also just put out some nuts for them to eat. This drought has made them desperate since they typically leave the pods alone.

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