Hi Neal, Well, I check my newly planted rhizomes daily - I'm finding that it's most of the MDB's, SDB's are the one's losing the leaves, but I do have a newly planted TB Mady Carriere that has lost all it's leaves too, and it looks like some of the TB Louvois (I planted 5) are losing theirs also. So I'm hoping that I might see some new growth .....hopefully