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Sep 16, 2016 4:30 PM CST
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Name: Christie
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Is this sunflower normal? Does this happen often? How? I have never seen this before. It seems to be just one sunflower from underneath, but multiple (6) sunflowers from the top.
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Sep 16, 2016 6:35 PM CST
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I don't think that's normal. I also grow sunflowers and I've never seen one like that before.
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Sep 16, 2016 6:40 PM CST
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I saw one like it.
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Sep 17, 2016 6:53 AM CST
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Name: Christie
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I wonder if it is some abnormality? I also wonder if it is worth saving the seeds to see what happens next year.
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Sep 17, 2016 6:58 AM CST
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You can try it. I think it's like anything else that happens that way... Split cells that don't finish splitting.
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Sep 17, 2016 6:58 AM CST
Name: Sue
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It could be something called fasciation. Is the stem below the flowers thicker/wider than normal?
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Sep 17, 2016 5:45 PM CST
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Name: Christie
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@sooby, I would say that the stem looks just as it should. Not wide. I posted a photo of the stem above. I have never heard of fasciation, but now I am reading up on it. Looks like it can have a genetic cause, but also a bacterial cause. Thank You!
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Sep 17, 2016 6:07 PM CST
Name: Sharon Rose
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Can Sunflowers get asters yellow? Looks kinda like some coneflowers that get asters yellow. That is a painful thought. May everything else in your garden be ok.
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Sep 17, 2016 7:05 PM CST
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Only plants in the aster family are affected by aster yellows. I believe @sooby is right. It is fasciation (spelling?)
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Sep 17, 2016 7:35 PM CST
Name: Sue
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Sunflowers are in the Asteraceae (aster family) and yes they can get aster yellows. There are other families of plants besides the aster family that can get aster yellows also.
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Sep 18, 2016 10:41 AM CST
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Name: Christie
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If it is genetic, then that would be interesting, but if it is either of those diseases, I want to know right away so I can remove that sunflower. I just emailed the photos to my county extension office - their automatic reply says they should contact me within 24 hours. All my other sunflowers seem just fine, and they are not close to this one. Will keep you updated. Sighing!
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Sep 18, 2016 10:48 AM CST
Name: Sue
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Fasciation isn't necessarily caused by a disease, it can be from insect damage, some other mechanical injury, environmental factors. Even a perennial plant that has produced a fasciated shoot won't likely do it again the next year. On the other hand, aster yellows is a phytoplasma disease transmitted by insects, usually leafhoppers, and is incurable.
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Sep 18, 2016 10:54 AM CST
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I've had that happen with sunflowers before, and have a couple this year that are oddly shaped - one looks like it is folded back on itself. I just enjoy the weirdness and don't put much thought into what is going on. May be head-in-the-sand on my part, but it's an annual so what the heck.
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Sep 18, 2016 11:12 AM CST
Name: kathy
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My sunflowers have bloomed double also. I've seen that happen with hosta blooms, cosmos, dandylion and daisies. I'm in zone 4b, sandy loam, full sun.
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Sep 18, 2016 12:05 PM CST
Name: Deb
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Warm welcome Kate! I think it's likely fasciation.
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Sep 19, 2016 1:58 PM CST
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Sep 19, 2016 2:10 PM CST
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As Yogi Berra said, “It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”
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Sep 19, 2016 7:02 PM CST
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Thanks, RJ. I just sent sunflowernsa.com an email and the photos. Thank You!
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Sep 20, 2016 10:54 AM CST
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Name: Christie
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From John Sandbakken (Executive Director, National Sunflower Association):
"From the looks of it you have a pest. Not sure but would guess it was some moth or seed maggot."

I Googled pictures of seed maggots and I never saw any of those in my garden, and I also did not notice any moths, but that does not really mean much -- could be possible. In any event, a pest does not bother me as much as a possible virus,
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Sep 22, 2016 9:45 AM CST
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Name: Christie
Central Ohio 43016 (Zone 6a)
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From my county extension office:
It appears to be aster yellows. Aster yellows is caused by a small bacteria, called a phytoplasma. It can occur in over 350 plants including many common vegetables, annual flowering plants, perennial flowering plants and weeds. Aster yellows is caused by a phytoplasma, a small bacteria that lives only within the vascular system of a plant or within the leafhopper that vectors it from plant to plant. Once a plant is infected, the aster yellow phytoplasma moves systemically through the plant, infecting every part from the roots through the flowers. The pathogen affects the plant's growth, development and ability to store nutrients. Once infected with aster yellows, a plant will never recover and there is no way to cure it. You should not save the seeds from this plant. Infected plants should be completely removed from the garden. Infected plant material can be composted because the aster yellows phytoplasma will not survive once the plant material is dead. The following links will provide additional information about aster yellows : http://www.missouribotanicalga... or http://www.extension.umn.edu/g... .
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