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bonitin
Oct 25, 2011 7:44 AM CST
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Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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I wonder if anyone recognized this little but charming wildflower on stony soil on an open sunny spot end of January in Paraty, Brazil..
Thanks!
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dave
Oct 25, 2011 8:36 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Tomato Heads Vermiculture Garden Research Contributor
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That definitely looks like a Lactuca, but I've never seen a red blooming wild lettuce.
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threegardeners
Oct 25, 2011 8:45 AM CST
Name: Lee Anne Stark
Brockville, Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
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Keeps Goats Forum moderator Frogs and Toads Tip Photographer Keeper of Poultry I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Critters Allowed Cottage Gardener Charter ATP Member Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Region: Canadian
http://www.illinoiswildflowers...

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dave
Oct 25, 2011 8:48 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Tomato Heads Vermiculture Garden Research Contributor
Million Pollinator Garden Challenge Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level Region: Ukraine Garden Sages
I saw that when I went googling but the leaf is completely different.
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threegardeners
Oct 25, 2011 8:53 AM CST
Name: Lee Anne Stark
Brockville, Ontario, Canada (Zone 5a)
Perpetually happy!
Keeps Goats Forum moderator Frogs and Toads Tip Photographer Keeper of Poultry I helped plan and beta test the plant database.
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Critters Allowed Cottage Gardener Charter ATP Member Lover of wildlife (Raccoon badge) Region: Canadian
Just as a side note, I found this list of Lactuca, but I don't see any mentioned for South America..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
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bonitin
Oct 25, 2011 10:42 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
Thanks Dave and Lee Anne, I agree, the plant has something lettuce-like..I have been googling Lactua from Brazil, but so far no success, only found yellow ones, I guess the plant is too modest to give attention to, I like it though.. Rolling my eyes.
Naturestudio
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kqcrna
Oct 26, 2011 5:01 PM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
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I thought it was Emilia Confused
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bonitin
Oct 26, 2011 11:06 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
You got it! That is it Karen! Hurray!
Thank you!
Naturestudio
| @bonitin | Post #169944 (8)
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kqcrna
Oct 27, 2011 4:56 AM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Hurray! very rare for me to come up with a correct ID. I just know that one because I grew it myself for a few years.

Karen
| @kqcrna | Post #169975 (9)
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bonitin
Oct 27, 2011 6:01 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
Smiling
Naturestudio
| @bonitin | Post #169990 (10)
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dave
Oct 27, 2011 7:08 AM CST
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Name: Dave Whitinger
Southlake, Texas (Zone 8a)
Region: Texas Seed Starter Vegetable Grower Tomato Heads Vermiculture Garden Research Contributor
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Thumbs up Nice Karen!
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bonitin
Oct 30, 2011 2:25 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
Janet( JRsbugs) has searched for other species Emelia and found one ; Emelia fosbergii which is native to Brasil! I think mine is that one..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/m...
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/...

Thanks Janet! Smiling
Naturestudio
| @bonitin | Post #171398 (12)
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kqcrna
Oct 30, 2011 4:51 AM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
Could be.

You know, Myriam, you're making me want to grow Emilia again. Smiling

Karen
| @kqcrna | Post #171407 (13)
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bonitin
Oct 30, 2011 5:04 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
me too Karen! Smiling
Naturestudio
| @bonitin | Post #171412 (14)
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kqcrna
Oct 30, 2011 5:17 AM CST
Name: Karen
Valencia, Pa (Zone 6a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cut Flowers Winter Sowing Charter ATP Member Seed Starter Echinacea
Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: Ohio Region: United States of America Butterflies Hummingbirder Celebrating Gardening: 2015
It did tend to flop a lot for me, Myriam. That's why I stopped growing it. Those skinny stems fall over easily so I'd say it did best in the middle of a bed where surrounding plants might help to support the flowers.

Karen
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bonitin
Oct 30, 2011 6:21 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
That is a good tip, Karen!
Naturestudio
| @bonitin | Post #171434 (16)
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JRsbugs
Oct 31, 2011 10:47 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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This is Emilia fosbergii,

http://sites.google.com/site/f...
BugLife
| @JRsbugs | Post #172051 (17)
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bonitin
Nov 1, 2011 1:02 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
Interesting Janet and good photos on that site!
Emilia fosbergii is synonym to Emilia coccinae, so is the same plant!
Confusing..
As E.fosbergii is used as the official scientific name then Karen's pictures in the data base would have to move to E.fosbergii..and E. coccinae entered as synonym name...
Naturestudio
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JRsbugs
Nov 1, 2011 6:56 AM CST
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
Bee Lover Plant Identifier Organic Gardener Dragonflies I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Charter ATP Member
Cat Lover Garden Photography Butterflies Birds Spiders!
I'm not sure Myriam!

Emilia coccinae is a synonym of Emilia javanica here

On USDA they are treated as separate species..

http://plants.usda.gov/java/pr...

http://plants.usda.gov/java/pr...

3 species in the US in Emilia..

http://plants.usda.gov/java/pr...

So Emilia fosbergii is a species in it's own right, the foliage on E. coccinea is different too.

http://www.hear.org/molokai/ka...

http://intermountainbiota.org/...

http://zojeczka.wordpress.com/...

You can fid the two species in Brazil in Asteraceae trib. Senecioneae.

Asteraceae Emilia fosbergii Nicolson
Asteraceae Emilia sonchifolia (L.) DC. ex Wight

http://translate.google.co.uk/...
BugLife
| @JRsbugs | Post #172401 (19)
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bonitin
Nov 1, 2011 8:55 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Myriam Vandenberghe
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
Bee Lover Organic Gardener Native Plants and Wildflowers Frogs and Toads Ferns I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
Charter ATP Member Cat Lover Birds Plant Identifier
Which means then that the Flora SBS site is not reliable as they state Emilia fosbergii as synonym to;

Emilia coccinea

Emilia sagittata

Emilia sonchifolia var. rosea

What a mess! Rolling my eyes. who to believe from these sites?

It is hard to say from the herbarium images in what the leaves are different, being all shrivelled up..

Strange when I looked earlier for Emilia in the Flora do Brasil it didn't show up anything, but now it shows up two species;
Emilia fosbergii and Emilia sonchifolia ??
Naturestudio
| @bonitin | Post #172442 (20)

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