Daylilies forum: 10 Month Seedling with 6 Fans?

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Name: Mona
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monalisa18
Oct 29, 2011 2:05 PM CST
I'm in no way implying that this seller is not stating the truth, but how in world does a 10 month seedling multiply this fast? I need whatever causes this today, where do I buy it? Blessings, Mona
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tink3472
Oct 29, 2011 2:27 PM CST
Hey Mona,

I'm no expert, but do read a lot of what hybridizers do. In warmer climates and for those who have heated greenhouses a seedling can be blooming size by 6 or 7 months. Then it's no different than a single fan that increases to 5 or 6 fans in a few months. I've had that happen. Also, fertilizing with a diluted solution of water soluable fertilizer twice a week or more helps, plus the other additives used in the soil such as alfalfa, slow release fertilizer and such to get it to bloom in 6-7 months. Then if it is a fast increaser it can multiply that fast. I'm sure Fred will chime in with his expertise.
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farmerbell
Oct 29, 2011 2:30 PM CST
Mona, if a grower lives in an area of the country where daylilies grow year round and if growth hormones are applied, it might be possible. Plus, some daylilies increase faster than others. In my zone, I couldn't come close to that kind of increase without applying the growth hormone BAP.
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Name: Mona
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monalisa18
Oct 29, 2011 2:59 PM CST
I have no doubt that the seller actually has this many of this seedling, it's just so hard for me imagine. Most of the plants I have only increase 1 fan per year. I do have some that will give 3 or 4 fans in a year, but they are few. I have a few dips that go crazy some years and put out maybe 8 new fans but this is not the rule.

I've started using alfalfa pellets just this fall and I'm anxious to see if this helps with increase next year. Also, does anyone know how often I need to apply the pellets? I'd love to get some of the BAP but I'd also want detailed instructions on use. Do you know where it can be bought?

Is this the chemical that I've read about that can kill the plants and that you can't let the scapes blooms while using it?

Mona
Name: Michele
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tink3472
Oct 29, 2011 4:44 PM CST
Alfafa pellets is usually applied in the spring and in the fall, some just do spring. Also, if you've already applied it to a bed and then plant a new daylily you can at it to the hole you plant it in.
You can get the BAP from a couple of souces. If you just need a small amount you can get it from http://www.mydaylilies.com/ in their store and http://www.bentleygardens.com/catalog/
If you want it by the liter you can get it from
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The mixing instructions are on the container. I've read some use a 28:1, 27:1 or even a 20:1 mix of water to chemical ratio. Some people use it as a foliar spray and others use it with an eye dropper and put it at the base of the fan or they put it in the bracts of the scape to try and get prolifs. You only mix what you can use in 24 hours or it starts to loose it potency Some hybidizers put the paste kind on the cut part of the crown after dividing as well. If you spray while it is scaping you will usually loose the buds and if you are trying to set pods I've read you shouldn't use it until after you are done and have gathered your pods or they will abort. Some use it in the spring others in the fall. As with any chemical, using improperly, it can kill a daylily.

Then there is GIBBERELLIC ACID ( a naturally occuring plant growth regulator) that is used to promote growth and increase that is used. There is so many different things that is being used to hasten growth.
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Name: Mona
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monalisa18
Oct 29, 2011 5:31 PM CST
Thanks Michele,
I'm going to try to get some BAP if it's not too expensive. A little bit is all I need. I have about 1500 pots but would only use it on a very select few.
You said that some use an eye dropper to put it around the base,so I would guess that even with it diluted to such a small amount, it only takes a very small amount to work??? Wow, just think how strong it is! I'm not a "green" grower by any means but I am very aware of my part in the great scheme of things. I do my best not to use chemicals on bugs until they just leave me with no choice. As much as I dispise handling tomato worms, I still hand pick them off my few plants every summer. UGH!!! I hate them things. And would you believe it, if they manage to sneak by me and get really big, I take them away from my plants and put them out in the woods. Hey, everything needs a chance to reproduce!

Does anyone have Forever Red or a seedling of it? I broke a crown off when I was repotting a seedling of it. I had nothing but a few roots and a crown. I replanted it anyway and 4 little plants emerged from the sides of the crown. This happened on 2 different pots of this plant. I didn't know it had this trait. I wonder if anyone else has seen this. The seedlings were two different crosses with "FR" as one of the parents. It did this before I started using Alfalfa pellets.

Thanks everyone, Mona



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tink3472
Oct 29, 2011 5:54 PM CST
The one on mydaylilies.com is $24 and on Bentleygardens is $30. I also forgot to add that it doesn't work on all daylilies. I'm sure Fred will comment because he has used it.

That is another way that daylilies multiply. Sort of like when you cut a limb off a bush or tree and then more emerge from the side of the cut limb. There was some older lady that sold daylilies; she may have hybridized (can't remember where or who) but she would show people how to make their daylilies increase and she would step on the daylily and break the fans. Sometimes if you break a fan off and it has just a little bit of the brown from the crown left on it it will take root if planted (sometimes it will just rot). If you divide a daylily and a fan has only a small portion of crown and just a tiny piece of root it can be replanted and survive sometimes. Daylilies are tough to kill most of the time
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rebloomnut
Oct 29, 2011 6:15 PM CST
I had planted Landon Lee 2 years ago and this year there was only one fan and small at that. I dug it up a cple weeks ago and put it in a pot as wanted to try to save it and baby it over the winter. It was planted in a really bad place. In potting it up I broke off the top leaving only the roots and crown. I planted it and also put some anti fungal on it to keep the crown from rotting. I hope to see what appears to be growth soon. Will update if I do.
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tink3472
Oct 29, 2011 6:26 PM CST
I have dug up a daylily thinking I got it all and the next thing I know a fan or two is emerging. When I dig it up there is just a small fan with a little bit if roots on it.
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spunky1
Oct 30, 2011 5:54 AM CST
I have a seedling that went from seed to 14 fans this year. After seeing the bloom and the scape I applied Bap-10 twice because I new it was a keeper. This is a rare occurrence to increase this much with only two applications. If I want to increase something I will apply Bap every week during bloom season. WARNING!! this can cause malfunctioned scapes and poor bloom count, must be used as directed with personal safety precautions. Like any chemical this doesn't have any good side effects. When you order this stuff ask for a MDS sheet (Material Safety Data). Below is the Scape and bloom with the increase.

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Betja
Oct 30, 2011 9:41 AM CST
Oh, I do so love that seedling, Fred! And what an increaser!
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mcash70
Oct 30, 2011 9:52 AM CST
Beautiful seedling Fred!
Name: Mona
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monalisa18
Oct 30, 2011 2:44 PM CST
OH WOW!! Fred that is amazing. I understand this is not normal, but for it to even happen is something beyond what I would even dream much less expect! I love the bloom and from the look, I can tell why you want it to increase. Just plum lovely!

I'll definetly be very careful with the Bap and will ask for printed info.

I'm using a root stimulator that I bought from Home Depot to soak my plants in as I repot them. It seems to really help. I only use it at about half the recommended amount in a gallon of water. After I've used it a couple of days, I add more water to the 5 gallon bucket and pour it onto my plants that I'm going to be repotting soon. It has increased the little feeder roots dramactically. Also, I've had less wilt and shock from the plant being repotted.

I'm really careful with this stuff. I cover the buckets at night so nothing can get into them and drink the water. I also wash up several times aday, just to be on the safe side from handling it.

Thanks to eveeryone for the great info and please add more if you want. Mona
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philljm
Oct 30, 2011 8:16 PM CST
Beautiful seedling Fred
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Ladylovingdove
Oct 31, 2011 8:24 AM CST
Fred, I am so happy that this is the one you are increasing, Please put me down for a fan when you register it, it is awesome. Thanks

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spunky1
Nov 1, 2011 6:22 AM CST
It will be a couple of years to see if it makes the cut. Thanks for the kind words.
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PollyK
Nov 2, 2011 7:17 PM CST
What a gorgeous daylily. I think you do need to increase that one as fast as you can.
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rebloomnut
Nov 2, 2011 10:31 PM CST
I agree That one really has the Form, Color, Pattern. Yumm.

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