Plant ID forum: Several plants need ID

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Name: Plants and Plumerias
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kevin51
Jul 10, 2011 7:12 AM CST
I'm most glad to see this forum as I so often need help with I.Ding plants and I have a couple I need help with please:
Thumb of 2011-07-10/kevin51/3c72f2 These are growing near the woods.
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Thumb of 2011-07-10/kevin51/afd32f I don't know if this is a Magnolia virginiana (M. glauca) Sweet bay or Magnolia australis Southern sweet bay. I've tried to show the contrast of the silver on the back of the leaves and the green of the top of the leaves. The flowers look like a miniature bloom of M. grandiflora, are only very slightly yellow, have a lemony frangrance, and about the size of a golf ball. The fruits, in the Fall, are a bright red. It has a single trunk.

Thanks,
Lee



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Name: Sidney McCollum
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Sugarweed
Jul 10, 2011 11:43 AM CST
I have that plant in my yard in Jacksonville, but have no ID. I do believe it's a Fl native.
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Name: Sidney McCollum
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Sugarweed
Jul 10, 2011 11:45 AM CST
Oh yes, it's definitely not a magnolia.
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Name: Plants and Plumerias
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kevin51
Jul 10, 2011 3:22 PM CST
Thanks Sidney. So it's still up in the air as to exactly what it is. BTW, your dog is so cute. What breed is he/she? Lee

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Name: Lin
Florida (Zone 9b)
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plantladylin
Jul 10, 2011 9:14 PM CST
Kevin: Your plant reminds me of Ruellia prostrata: http://www.google.com/search?q=Ruellia+prostrata&hl=en&biw=1... but that's just a wild guess.
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Name: Plants and Plumerias
American South (Zone 7b)
I'm on a down hill slide to middle
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kevin51
Jul 11, 2011 3:17 AM CST
Thank you, Linda. I'll go to the link you provided. Lee

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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Jul 11, 2011 5:48 AM CST
It is ruellia but USDA shows it growing only in Hawaii, Could be Ruellia humilis http://www.wildflower.org/gallery/result.php?id_image=27670
Here is a link for native ruellia, just go to the right side of the page under narrow search and select your state to narrow the list to those growing in your state.
http://www.wildflower.org/plants/search.php?search_field=Rue...
wildflowersoftexas.com
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Name: Plants and Plumerias
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kevin51
Jul 11, 2011 6:01 AM CST
Hey Jay, Indeed you and Linda are right. I, too, went to the USDA site and have narrowed it down to: Ruellia nudiflora, R. caerulea, R. caroliniensis, and finally R. humilis because as you said it appears the R. prostrata is in HI. But who knows, it might have gotten here as did the imported red fire ants.
I read that one of the Ruellias was the larval plant food for the Common Buckeye butterfly and since I try to plant things for the butterflies and their larva, I went to BAMONA (Butterflies and Moths of North America) and now I can't remember which of the Ruellias it is, if it's the one which is growing out here, then we should have an ample amount of Buckeyes.
Linda, thank you for taking the time to look the plant up and putting me on the track. I do appreciate it.
Jay, thanks to you, too, for taking the time to help.
I'm much obliged to the both of you.
Lee Hurray!

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Name: Lin
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plantladylin
Jul 11, 2011 10:27 AM CST
Oops ... I missed the fact that R. prostrata is only found in Hawaii. R. nudiflora and other Ruellia are larval host plants for the Common Buckeye:

http://www.wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=RUNU

http://www.butterflyfunfacts.com/buckeye.php
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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Jul 11, 2011 10:30 AM CST
Based on your photos I think you could cross nudiflora off you list. I think Caroliniensis is the best bet, but I have been known to be wrong.
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Name: Plants and Plumerias
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kevin51
Jul 11, 2011 12:19 PM CST
Thanks Linda and Jay. I had it written down somewhere amongst the stack of papers here which one came the closest to being what we have. Rats, I'll have to go back to USDA and check.
I do appreciate your help.
Lee

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Name: Jay
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Horntoad
Jul 11, 2011 3:53 PM CST
Kevin, USDA is by far the most complete list of plants growing in the US, but can be difficult to find anything unless you have a good idea where to start.
I like the Wildflower Center best for searching for native plants. It is much easier to search and usually has better descriptions and photos.
http://www.wildflower.org/plants/

Here are some pics I took of Ruellia nudiflora and R. humilis.
The thread "Violet Ruellia" in Texas Gardening forum
The thread "Hairy Ruellia" in Texas Gardening forum
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Name: Plants and Plumerias
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kevin51
Jul 11, 2011 3:57 PM CST
Hey Jay, thanks. I'll run outside( very slowly as it's 100 on the mark) and see if I can get a couple pics. of what is out here for comparison.
Lee.

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Name: Plants and Plumerias
American South (Zone 7b)
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kevin51
Jul 11, 2011 4:18 PM CST
Ok, Jay, I went to the area where they were blooming y'day and I couldn't believe there is not even a single petal on any but I was able to try to get better shots of the leaves and buds.
I only have a little Kodak EasyShare, so I'm kinda limited in what I'd like to show you as far as details go. Maybe in a day or two, the buds will have opened.
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I hope these give you a little better perspective and I've written down the wildflower address you were kind enough to send.
Too, I'll keep a look-out for any flowering in a day or two.
Lee

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Name: Plants and Plumerias
American South (Zone 7b)
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kevin51
Jul 12, 2011 7:14 AM CST
Hey Jay, It's as if by magic the Ruellia ???? are in bloom and I've taken some more pics for you and Terri. I swear, I think I'm going to have to get a botanist out here and ID them for me in order for me to have some piece of mind. I might have to send you a plane ticket and have you ID them. Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!
So, for what it's worth, here are some more pics.
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Thumb of 2011-07-12/kevin51/e8a561
Thumb of 2011-07-12/kevin51/d056c8
Giant yellow Velvetleaf ( Wissadula amplissima )
Thumb of 2011-07-12/kevin51/b22755 It was in flower 2-3 days ago. I see from my butterfly book that it's the larval host of
some of our Skippers.
Lee

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Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
Region: Texas Region: Gulf Coast Charter ATP Member I helped beta test the first seed swap I helped plan and beta test the plant database. I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database!
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Horntoad
Jul 12, 2011 9:20 AM CST
Ruellia tend to drop their flowers early in the day What state are you in?
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Name: Plants and Plumerias
American South (Zone 7b)
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kevin51
Jul 12, 2011 9:24 AM CST
Mississippi.

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Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
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frostweed
Aug 27, 2011 11:05 PM CST
I think it is Ruellia caroliniensis check it out; Smiling
http://www.ncwildflower.org/index.php/plants/details/ruellia...
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