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Nov 4, 2011 10:46 PM CST
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Okay, time to play Name That Rose. I bought this one years ago from Vintage Gardens. It was supposed to be Jazz Club, which it most certainly is not:

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Okay, back to this rose. It blooms a lot, so it's not a once-blooming OGR. It's either a shrub or a very short floribunda. I've had it for years and it's only about 18 inches tall and 30 inches wide. It blooms in clusters. Here are a couple of photos of it from the top and the side. It looks globular from the side, but the top is fairly flat:

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Nov 4, 2011 10:59 PM CST
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I LOVE it! Much more exciting than Jazz Club!!! Thumbs up I suppose you already went through Vintages list?
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Nov 4, 2011 11:12 PM CST
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Sort of, but their pictures are usually so misleading. I would buy nothing at all from them if I had to go by their pictures.
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Nov 4, 2011 11:15 PM CST
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I don't know why I gave you the HMF link for Jazz Club, now that I think of it. Those pictures are no better than Vintage's. Here it is our database. It's really a pretty rose.

Rose (Rosa 'Jazz Club')
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Nov 4, 2011 11:31 PM CST
Name: Sharon
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Zuzu, I need to play name that rose, too.

A few years ago at our local nursery, which is usually reputable, I purchased this rose. It blooms like crazy, totally carefree and I love it. Actually I have three of them, identical. They're the first to bloom in early May and today, November, they still have blooms. The metal tag says Sophy's Rose on the three of them.
I've been told that it's wrong. What do your experts think?


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Nov 4, 2011 11:43 PM CST
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How on earth did they mislabel three rose bushes???? Where did you buy it?

It looks to me like Carefree Beauty. Here's a photo that I think looks a lot like yours.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...

I suppose it could also be one of the earlier Austins without so many petals, but I don't have very many of those and I don't remember any in that color. It really looks like a Buck rose to me, especially in view of the lack of clustering. Here's the main listing for Carefree Beauty. See if the details match. There are several pages of photos if you click on the photos tab.

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Nov 4, 2011 11:44 PM CST
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Man, what a healthy looking rose Sharon, certainly not Sophy's Rose, somebody messed up in the tag department! Nothing that I am familiar with. Shrug!
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Nov 5, 2011 12:10 AM CST
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I don't know where my nursery owner gets his roses, but all three of them wore the Sophy's Rose tags. The tags are still on them, I never remove tags. At least they are identical to each other. And they are the metal tags. So, I really don't know.

It is a great rose, Sue, never a problem and as I said, it's still blooming. Last year, the two that you see up against the back of my house never dropped their leaves. Stayed green all winter. It's about 50 during the day now, maybe mid 30s at night, and they are happy as can be.

It looks very much like Carefree Beauty, Zuzu.
Whatever it is, it's my favorite.
Thanks so much. If you think it is Carefree Beauty, then maybe you can place where it belongs in the database.

Oh boy. I've called her Sophy for so long I'm not sure I can change now. Sad
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Nov 5, 2011 12:23 AM CST
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You can keep calling her Sophy, Sharon. Why not? It's your rose. Sue's going to call her new rose Geese Lane because it's easier to remember and pronounce than Ghislaine de Feligonde, and I usually call Baronne Prevost "You Miserable Wretch" because it has no resistance whatsoever to pests or diseases.

I'll wait a day or two before moving your photos in case someone else in the forum thinks that's the wrong identification and has another idea.

The perfect foliage on the rose bush and the amount of reblooming really sound more like a Buck rose than an Austin. You have the perfect climate for Buck roses.
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Nov 5, 2011 12:33 AM CST
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Well I have Dorothy and Peggy, so I guess Sophy it will be.
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Nov 5, 2011 7:23 AM CST
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The foliage looks darker and denser than my Carefree Beauties - but that may be a difference in our care practices. Does it form large orange hips?
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Nov 5, 2011 8:28 AM CST
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It does form hips, yes, fairly large.
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Nov 5, 2011 10:21 AM CST
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Zuzu - your's looks just like my Camayeux. I bought mine from Melva 2 years ago and this year it finally bloomed. It wasn't violet & white striped, it was a solid deep magenta like yours. Could also be Othello.
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Nov 5, 2011 2:09 PM CST
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Or Falstaff?
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Nov 5, 2011 3:06 PM CST
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This rose has never displayed even a hint of a stripe. If Melva mislabeled your rose the way Vintage mislabeled mine, the Camaieux ID can't help, Toni. Smiling

It definitely isn't an Austin. No Austin is this short. This is a healthy rose, growing for the last 4 or 5 years in a good spot, but it's still under two feet tall. It's some kind of short shrub, possibly even a ground cover shrub.
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Nov 5, 2011 6:00 PM CST
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Maybe it's a really short hybrid perpetual. This photo of General Washington is a dead ringer for mine, especially if some of the "blueing" were removed.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...
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Nov 5, 2011 6:25 PM CST
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I took this shot at Vintage, I remember it being a pretty decent sized bush though.
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Nov 5, 2011 6:33 PM CST
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I think I found it!!! Geant des Batailles. It's under 2 feet tall and has 85 petals.

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose...

The HMF photos are quite variable in color, but the color of this rose is exceptionally difficult to capture with a camera, so I also have a bunch of photos of it in various shades of crimson.

This is one that Vintage always propagates on a large scale. I'll shoot Gita a couple of my photos and see whether she agrees.
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Nov 5, 2011 6:51 PM CST
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Does it smell as wonderful as it looks?
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Nov 5, 2011 7:06 PM CST
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We got some compost this morning and spread and rototilled it into the area where the new lawn goes. Grabbed the camera for a few shots before the rain started this afternoon. Pouring right now, good thing I watered this morning. Rolling on the floor laughing

I like orange but this is a bit much. Big Grin It's to keep the big beasts out of the dirt and eventually the new sod. The raised part toward the back is where I'll plant a curved bed of perennials to soften the squared look of the lawn.
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Sigh, talk about perfection in a rose, my previous bud shot on Vesper is slowly opening.
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This is Penelope, I have two of these, an extra one from Zuzu and this one, a small own root with it's first delicate looking bloom.


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Got this one as a 4" pot from Annie's last year, once it got into the ground it took off.
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This is a large leafed abutilon that I took a cutting from my other garden when we moved. In one year it's the same size as the original and never without a bloom, which are quite large. Not sure how it will do through the winter here as it gets a bit colder than where I used to live so I'll take additional cuttings.
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I have 3 blooms now on William Shakespeare 2000, the largest one is just huge. I don't normally do hand shots but I hope it gives an idea at the size. And this is still a small plant in a 3 gal. pot.


This is a cutting that took for me of a miniature, Ida Bell, I had taken these shots of it at a rose garden back in 2005 so I am tickled it rooted.
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A couple of Abraham Darby blooms that I couldn't get a shot of until I picked and staged them, now I am enjoying them inside.
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Staging is fun and then you get to bring them in too! Summer Song
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Four Austins, Summer Song, Abraham Darby and a bud from Lady Emma Hamilton
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Last shot of the roses with a small stone bunny I found on the property, hidden in the shrubs, a sweet memento of the former English couple that lived and gardened here.

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