Plant ID forum: (Solanum); fuzzy leaves with spines

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Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Nov 14, 2011 11:28 AM CST
I stopped at a yard sale and there was this curious looking viny plant. The leaves are fuzzy and somewhat sticky when touched, and the entire thing, including the leaves, is covered in small thorns. The lady said it gets small white flowers.
I had something with thorny leaves once but it had bright blue flowers....and the leaves were not fuzzy.
Any idea?
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Name: Sherry
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wcgypsy
Nov 14, 2011 11:48 AM CST
Is this 'Devil's Club'?
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Nov 14, 2011 11:52 AM CST
Somehow, from the Wikipedia description, I don't think so, mostly because it's growing in Southwest Florida.
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Nov 14, 2011 12:07 PM CST
It reminds me a lof of Coltsfoot, Tussilago farfara. I had one set in my garden last year. Maybe something in Asteraceae.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tussilago_farfara

The description first reminded me of the cucumber family though!

Look at Bur Cucumber (Sicyos angulatus)

http://www.pbase.com/diggitydogs/image/116931230


Name: Sherry
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wcgypsy
Nov 14, 2011 12:30 PM CST
Does look like the Bur Cucumber. Some of the most interesting plants turn up here.....
I could be wrong...
and.....
"maybe I should have kept my mouth shut....."
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Nov 14, 2011 12:40 PM CST
I agree it LOOKS like Bur Cucumber but the descriptions of this plant don't mention anything about spines on the leaves. And again, this is growing in Southwest Florida...
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JRsbugs
Nov 14, 2011 12:47 PM CST
Sicyos angulatus is native to Florida, a lot of the photos on google show more toothed leaves but they might be other species as there's a lot of them.

http://luirig.altervista.org/flora/taxa/floranam.php?genere=...

http://www.ppws.vt.edu/scott/weed_id/siyan.htm

http://www.missouriplants.com/Whitealt/Sicyos_angulatus_page...

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=SIAN

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=SICYO

I've been through al the genera in the family, checked those which are in Florida and those with white flowers. I haven't found anything else.

http://plants.usda.gov/java/ClassificationServlet?source=pro...
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Nov 14, 2011 12:51 PM CST
Description from this site..

http://www.ppws.vt.edu/scott/weed_id/siyan.htm

Seedling: Cotyledons very closely resemble those of ordinary cucumber cotyledons, are thick and oblong, with many spreading hairs on the top and bottom. The stem below the cotyledons (hypocotyl) is also covered with many short hairs that typically point downward.

Stems: Stems are hairy especially at the leaf nodes, longitudinally ridged, and climb by way of branched tendrils.

Leaves: Alternate, 2-8 inches long, 2-8 inches wide, hairy, broadly heart shaped with 5 pointed lobes and a toothed margin.
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Nov 14, 2011 1:36 PM CST
All really good information, and I'm tempted to agree were it not for the fact that it has distinctive (and painful) spines on the leaves, both top and bottom, which doesn't seem to be described anywhere...
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JRsbugs
Nov 14, 2011 1:56 PM CST
It would be a good idea to wait for flowers Hetty, then it will be easier to say what it is. I don't think there is a plant in the cucumber family without painful spines on leaves, I know pumpkins plants can be very prickly!
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Nov 14, 2011 2:10 PM CST
Oh it was just a plant I saw at a yard sale, which intrigued me! I don't own it! But I'm happy enough to know that I didn't pass up a rare plant Rolling on the floor laughing Thanks!
Name: josephine
Arlington, Texas (Zone 8a)
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frostweed
Nov 15, 2011 7:23 AM CST
I think it might be this one Bull Nettle Texas Bullnettle (Cnidoscolus texanus)
http://wildflower.org/plants/result.php?id_plant=CNTE
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JRsbugs
Nov 15, 2011 8:10 AM CST
That has deeply cut leaves Josephine..

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Cnidoscolus+texanus&rlz=1I7...
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frostweed
Nov 15, 2011 12:22 PM CST
I think you are right, it just seemed close.
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Name: Robert Jenkins
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raydio
Nov 17, 2011 1:53 PM CST
Perhaps Solanum quitoense (or a similar species)?

http://www.naranjillas.com/naranjilla_pictures.html

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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Nov 17, 2011 2:08 PM CST
Now that's what I call spines Robert! Hilarious!

The shape of the leaf is more "Christmas tree" on that one..

http://www.bustaniplantfarm.com/solanum-quitoense.html

Looking more closely I can see three very sharp spines on the leaf pointing to 1 o'clock, about 2/3 of the way down with one on the midrib and one either side of it.

You might be onto something! I found some photos of a young plant and that one doesn't match, but it could be something similar.

http://herselfshoustongarden.com/2008/08/naranjilla-solanum-...

Hetty, go back and buy the plant so we can scrutinise it better. Hilarious!
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Nov 17, 2011 2:14 PM CST
I had a Solanum once, and it was my first thought until she said 'white flowers', since mine had blue ones. But now that I see there are also those with white flowers, I am 95% convinced that that is what this is.
At least I know now that I don't need to rush back to go buy it Hilarious!
Thanks, everyone, for your help!!
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Nov 17, 2011 2:53 PM CST
I can't find any Solanum with this leaf shape though Hetty.. there are some with white flowers though.

I found a herbarium specimen of Sicyos angulatus, enlarge the photo then use a magnifier. You can see some spines on the underneath side of a leaf, they probably have random spines..

http://florida.plantatlas.usf.edu/SpecimenDetails.aspx?Colle...

Solanum capsicoides is in Florida, and has white flowers. I found one photo with leaves which are similar to yours although they look more hairy, but other photos show them to be different!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Solanum_capsicoides.jpg

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Solanum+capsicoides&rlz=1I7...

Reading on wiki, they say it's included in Solanum aculeatissimum, there we might have a match!

http://www.ukrop.info/html/toptropicals/misc/thailand/nurser...

If it is that, it's an introduced plant..

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=SOLAN

It has a very spiny stem..

http://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/image-display.php...

http://two-ton.blogspot.com/2007_10_15_archive.html

Those in Brazil have a different shaped leaf..

http://sites.google.com/site/florasbs/solanaceae/arrebenta-c...

I went through the list of those in Florida on the USDA plants site, the only other one coming close is Solanum viarum but it didn't quite look right.


seankyleb
Jan 21, 2015 5:24 PM CST
Dutchlady1 said:I stopped at a yard sale and there was this curious looking viny plant. The leaves are fuzzy and somewhat sticky when touched, and the entire thing, including the leaves, is covered in small thorns. The lady said it gets small white flowers.
I had something with thorny leaves once but it had bright blue flowers....and the leaves were not fuzzy.
Any idea?
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This plant that you posted on this thread is a tropical soda apple it is illegal to buy sell or other wise it is a class 1 weed. it it poisonous to human and live stock and is to be reported to your local dept. of agriculture within 24hrs of discovery to treat and exterminate immediately. this post is not a joke it is very serious look it up if you dont believe.
Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Jan 21, 2015 7:18 PM CST
Welcome! seankyleb and I certainly believe you. This was a very old post of mine that you unearthed!! Smiling

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