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Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Nov 16, 2011 3:17 PM CST
Happen pretty commonly in lilies right?

Moby and everyone, please show some pics of your fascinating fasciations.
Name: Connie
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Nov 16, 2011 3:57 PM CST

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I had a couple of examples on the Mak visit thread...
Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Nov 16, 2011 4:11 PM CST
I saw those. Thanks Pard. I thought we would drag Moby out of her shell to show us the fasciated Buggy lily.

I think they're so neat!
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Moby
Nov 16, 2011 7:36 PM CST
My obsession with fasciation began with a monster-sized Rosario bulb from Buggy Crazy. As soon as it sprouted, right away I noticed that something was different, it wasn't a neat point of leaves as most sprouts are. As it got bigger and greened up, with so many leaves it look 'hairy'. There were 2 fasciated stems with a normal one on the right.
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Here are some pics as Rosario progressed
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I've had several more since then
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What these all have in common is that they were healthy, mature bulbs and all had been planted or transplanted the year before. However, this year one clump in particular had every single stem fasciate ~ a clump that has been in place for several years and had previously given me the most beautiful, ribbon-worthy stems.

This calls into question another factor; a phytoplasma in the family that causes aster yellows, onion yellows and witch's broom. It is not clear if this is transmitted by sucking insects such as aphids, or if it is a transient in the soil. The clump shown here displayed several examples; flattened, twisted and split stems. We'll see next year how these lilies fair and may give us some indication as to the state of its condition.
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Fasciation expresses itself in a variety of ways, such as ribbon, bifurcated (2-way split) and stellate (split into 3 or more stems), respectively.
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Name: Polly Kinsman
Hannibal, NY (Zone 6a)

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PollyK
Nov 16, 2011 7:40 PM CST
Fantastic info! Thank you for detailing it for us as you did.

I love the willow, Salix sachalinensis, that has tons of the ribbon fasciation. So cool, and it's a regular thing for that plant to do.
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Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
Rosetta,Tasmania,Australia (Zone 7b)
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gwhizz
Nov 17, 2011 2:30 AM CST
Its severe fasciation, seems to originate from L.Longiflorum,.hells bells,Moby, thats some of the worst i've seen..i have an Aurelien 'Whistlin Dixie'-which is fasciated, but 'nothin' on those pics above,.,..,Judging of l.Longiflorum,[at shows] can get quite involved and nasty[mainly from entrants who have been disqualified] and most entrants know not to enter any fasciated stem,..,Im actually going to lug "whistlin Dixie' to a training course ,next week,.,.
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Moby
Nov 17, 2011 8:43 AM CST
Smiling While a fasciated lily can't be entered for judging, as you mentioned, I think it is an excellent idea to show one for educational purposes.

Polly, while doing my research about this subject, I found Willow mentioned frequently with many expamles.
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Name: Polly Kinsman
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PollyK
Nov 17, 2011 8:47 AM CST
My understanding is almost all plants can fasciate. But the salix sekka normally has some fasciation. Hard to believe they have not yet figured out exactly what causes fasciation.
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Nov 17, 2011 10:55 AM CST
To nip it in the bud, before it fasciates (a play on the word) into total confusion: the willow Pard talks about is

Salix sachalinensis 'Sekka' - Japanese fantail Willow. It naturally fasciates sporadically, making it a great addition to floral arrangements.

Salix sachalinensis (the species) is not normally fasciated.
Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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ge1836
Nov 17, 2011 11:29 AM CST
I had FataMorgana fasciate one year and Landini fasciated last year. FataMorgana had 30 buds.
Looked like Octomom LOL
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Ispahan
Nov 17, 2011 5:31 PM CST
This has been a fascinating discussion! Thank you everyone for the great photos and information.
Lincoln, NE
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Moby
Nov 17, 2011 6:08 PM CST
You're welcome. Thought I might as well post my whole dissertation as on the subject since there isn't much solid information out there.

I seem to have a plethera fasciations, so I recently did a presentation for our lily society. Most people hadn't ever seen a fasciation so I had several questions (half-joking) about whether or not I lived near a nuclear reactor, high power lines, etc.
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Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
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gwhizz
Nov 18, 2011 1:30 AM CST
The facination of a fasciation! Hilarious!
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Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Nov 18, 2011 2:18 AM CST
I neglected to say, previously, what an informative fasciation post you made, Moby. Bravo! I've had a few of them, but you do seem to be the Queen... Smiling

Name: Anthony Gloriosoides[ sure!]
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gwhizz
Nov 18, 2011 2:25 AM CST
I read the 1st line and was about to say ''thanks Rick!!''-then i realised you were talking to Moby,..,I'll go back to my box!! Hilarious!
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
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ge1836
Nov 18, 2011 3:51 AM CST
These are images of the Fata Morgana

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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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ge1836
Nov 18, 2011 3:55 AM CST
This is Landini. It was hard to bend over to get a good angle of the flat stem.

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I counted 19 buds

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I moved this bulb so will be curious to see what happens 2012.
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Moby
Nov 18, 2011 9:27 AM CST
I'll be curious too, as I haven't gotten to follow the aftermath of the lilies listed above. The big Rosario bulb split into 8 bulbs, I moved that Fall and the following Spring, we had that week-long freeze in April and I lost it. Others that I wanted to watch were eaten by rabbits Grumbling so this year I planted about 200 daffs in hopes of additional protection. Next year should be better for observation.

Thanks, Lefty. Smiling
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Name: Jo Ann Gentle
Pittsford NY (Zone 6a)
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ge1836
Nov 18, 2011 10:15 AM CST
Moby! you and I are in the same boat. I have a vole problem and lost nearly a whole 4 year old clump of Shocking not to mention 2 dozed asiatics Grand Cru,Partner,Tiny skyline. They just devoured the whole front of my bed. I planted 200 daffs of various sizes and will do the same next fall where I missed this year.
Name: Rick R.
near Minneapolis, MN zone 4a
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Leftwood
Nov 18, 2011 10:37 AM CST
gwhizz said:I read the 1st line and was about to say ''thanks Rick!!''-then i realised you were talking to Moby,..,I'll go back to my box!! Hilarious!


Anthony, don't cut yourself short. Your contributions here are quite valuable. They make me think and analyze my ideas and concepts here, and help formulate those that bandy about in my mind. And this goes for all participants on the forum. Everyone has valid contributions because we all come from different perspectives. Notwithstanding the enjoyable conversation, one doesn't have to be knowledgeable to be important. Smiling

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