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Dec 7, 2011 11:57 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dragonflies Pollen collector Garden Ideas: Level 2
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Hi Jill and WELCOME Hurray! Hurray!

I use mini blinds for the tags. I also use them to tag my crosses on the daylilies. Fred is the one who told me about doing that.
The ones to tag crosses is cut into 2.50 in pieces then punch a hole in it and use the paper clip to keep it on the scape. You can also just use colored paper clips and record in a notebook what the pollen is for that color.
This is what Fred Manning (Spunky1) wrote
spunky1 said:
For you who hybridize here's a cheap way to make a hanging tag that last year after year. You need a mini blind, cut to 2.50", a hold punch, and a box of small paper clips. I write the pollen parent on the tag with a #2 pencil. If I want to use that same tag later for another pollen I just draw a line thru the first one and write the new one below the old. Yoy can use both sides so you can use it many times. I use these if I am only going to use a certain pollen only a few times,or when I hybridize in the seedling beds, the tags are much easier to see than the colored paper clips I use in the hybridizing area.I would guess they cost less than a penny a piece and they are a lot better than the paper
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For the seedling cross tags in the pvc pipe (1/2 in pipes) it's the same thing, mini blinds. You just stick them in the end of the pvc pipe and they won't go anywhere. I write the seedling number on the mini blind with a garden marker (can buy at walmart) or a pencil. Pencils are usually the best thing because it doesn't fade or wear off (unless you wipe it really hard with your finger). Then you can record the number in a notebook. You could also just write the whole cross on the tag, whichever is easier for you. You would only use one tag and pipe per seedling cross. So if you had 10 of one cross you would start the pvc pipe at the beginning (in front of seedling) and go left to right then put another pipe with tag for the next cross and so on. The pipes will not line up with each other unless you plant the exact same number of seedlings per cross.

Ex: the T is the tag and the x is the seedlings
TxxxxTxxxxxx
xxxTxxxxxTxxx
TxxxxxxxxxTxx

I hope this makes since
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Dec 8, 2011 6:37 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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Those two women can work circles around me, great job as always ladys.

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Dec 9, 2011 2:05 PM CST
Name: Jill
Weatherby, Missouri (Zone 5a)
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Thanks, Michelle and Fred. Yes, I think you explained that very well. I think I see mini blinds in my future. I would have thought the wind would blow those tags out of the PVC pipe, but I do like the idea of much taller markers than I have had before. The PVC pipe raises the tags up out of the foliage, and it looks like a good system to me. I think I'll try it this coming spring.

Thanks for the info!

I tip my hat to you. Thumbs up
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Dec 9, 2011 4:59 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dragonflies Pollen collector Garden Ideas: Level 2
Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Hummingbirder Region: Florida Daylilies Container Gardener Butterflies
The way it fits down into the pipes it won't go anywhere. The blind has to be bent just a tad to go into the hole so it keeps it in there snuggly. Some people paint the pvc to blend in better. Some do green and some do brown. When I had overhead sprinklers in one of the beds at my old place I painted the pipe brown and it blended in pretty good. But since these are just in the hybridizing area I don't paint them.

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Dec 9, 2011 9:29 PM CST
Name: Betty
Bakersfield, CA
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Looks wonderful, Michele!
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Dec 10, 2011 7:02 AM CST
Thread OP
Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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I have used this many years and they have been hurricane tested, have never had one to blow out. I use a painters pin from Wal Mart to write on the mini blinds, it doesn't fade like other things.
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Dec 10, 2011 9:14 AM CST
Name: Jill
Weatherby, Missouri (Zone 5a)
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Great images and info. Thanks!
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Dec 10, 2011 2:02 PM CST
Name: Juli
Ohio (Zone 6a)
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Jill - I am sorry, I have not read this thread in the last couple days and didn't realize we had a new person! Welcome! So glad to have you here. You will find some great threads and interesting photos on ATP Daylilies. Let me know if you have any questions... you can always get me by looking on the main Daylily Forum page - in the upper right info box, you just click on "daylily" by my name and it will take you to my profile page, where you can send me a tree-mail.
Juli

Michelle - I am jealous of your beds! Great work!
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Dec 22, 2011 4:27 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dragonflies Pollen collector Garden Ideas: Level 2
Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Hummingbirder Region: Florida Daylilies Container Gardener Butterflies
I have a couple of seedlings that have a second fan growing already Hurray! There may be more, but these are the ones I saw before it started raining. This is my first year with seedlings so it surprised me to see such small plants already increasing. I took photos with a drink can so you can see how small they are; not all of the seedlings are this small.

If you click to enlarge the photo you can see this one better
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This one has a larger 2nd fan
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Closer view
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Dec 22, 2011 6:38 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
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Hurray! Michele your seedlings look great, nice and sturdy. Thumbs up
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Dec 22, 2011 6:48 PM CST
Name: Mona
Guntown, Ms (Zone 7b)
I love nature & everything outdoors
Daylilies Dog Lover
Ok Michele, Just what kind of grow juice are you feeding those babies??? Not only is the sprouts really really growing on a new baby, but I noticed that the leaves seem to be really wide to be on a youngster. How old are these seedlings?

I've been doing Christmas cleaning today and wow, I HATE housework. But, I sure do like the end results. I even put up our little 3 foot tree today. Plus washed all the quilts and blankets that we use in the living area to stay warm. It sure does look so much better!!! I even washed the dogs blankets. It's gotta smell better, but I can't smell, so I never know just how bad it gets.

I'm actually getting excited about Christmas. It's just been so warm here that it doesn't seem like Christmas. We had a white Christmas last year, that was so wonderful. I don't think there's a chance for this year. It was in the high 50's today with rain and I think the temps will stay about the same for the rest of the week.

Well, I'll check back in later. I've got to wrap presents. Blessings to all, Mona
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Dec 22, 2011 11:09 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dragonflies Pollen collector Garden Ideas: Level 2
Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Hummingbirder Region: Florida Daylilies Container Gardener Butterflies
Mona: The seedlings got potted around the first week of Oct so they are almost 3 months old. They would be bigger if I wouldn't of had to pot them first then plant them later, doing that set them back some because the roots got disturbed. I will take some photos of the others tomorrow if it's not raining. Some are a lot taller and the foliage isn't as wide. And some have shrunk a lot so I'm thinking they may be dormants or at least semi.

What do I feed them? Well, in the bed I mixed in alfalfa pellets, slow release fertilizer, lime, and chicken litter (I may have added some milorganite but not sure). Once they were planted I put down a little more chicken litter, slow release fertilizer, and some milorganite to keep the critters out. I did put down some Magic Carpet fertilzer which releases over 3 months. I added this because the Florikan slow release quits working when the temps drop below 70. I also use a water soluble fertilzer like Miracle Grow as well.

I went to Fred's today and his seedlings are huge. He needs to post another photo because they are a lot bigger than the photo he posted on Nov. 17th.
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Dec 23, 2011 12:29 AM CST
Name: Mona
Guntown, Ms (Zone 7b)
I love nature & everything outdoors
Daylilies Dog Lover
UHHHHH did you sneak in a few photos of his beds??. You know we count on you for recon.

I looked at the new photos he posted and his beds are beautiful. I really like the color and the lattice that he put up. Does he put his plants in those that he plans to sell? Or, does he use those for hybridizing? It just looks like I might have trouble reaching the plants that are in the middle of the beds. they may just look a lot bigger than they are. He said something about tree roots. This is the reason that I'm having problems with my pots. I have 2 maple trees in the area where my pots are. We babied these crazy trees for years. One of them we even dug up and moved when it was about 5 years old because is wasn't growing very well. Well, it worked they have gotten up to about 25' and have millions of roots that grow right on top of the soil. I had no idea why my plants just stopped growing. I even lost several seedlings before I found that these wonderful trees have a root system that only the devil had fun making. They grow right on top of the soil. It big root, some as big as my arm, have litterally millions of hairy spider roots that are about the size of a pencil lead and they invade my pots and take over. I've had several 5 gallon pots that had no soil(I have no idea where the soil goes to) left in them. Only a tumble weed ball, mess of roots wrapped around and around in the pots. some of these bigger pots took me hours to hand dig out the daylilies that were entwined in this mess. I have never cut down a tree without it being damaged or something along these lines, but these danged trees have to go. Freds beds would work really great with my potted plants, but it's just not an option now. These 2 trees provid much needed shade in the late afternoon, but I'm going to plant some pines and hope they grow fast!

Your seedlings are amazing. How often to apply the liquid MG? I've just got to find a better fertilize than the Miracle Grow slow release. It's a 10/10/10 Its says it will last "up to 3 months" but I think it's more like a month. I guess I'm going to have to buy a bag of nutricote. I see that that's what you are using(I had to check spelling and it said it was made by Florikan). It sure appears to be working. I'm already using the Alfalfa pellets.

Well, I have had a long day. I hope everyones is having a very Merry Christmas Season. Blessings,Mona
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Dec 23, 2011 8:32 AM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dragonflies Pollen collector Garden Ideas: Level 2
Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Hummingbirder Region: Florida Daylilies Container Gardener Butterflies
The new beds he built are display beds (he's an AHS display garden) only. He has a different area for sale plants and hybridizing.

This is all just my opinion and what works for me Green Grin!
The key phrase is "UP TO". It depends on your temps, climate, and how much it rains, and such. The ones listed for 8 months doesn't last that long in our heat from what I've been told and then if the temps go below 70 they quit releasing.

The Miracle Grow is used once or twice a week. It doesn't have to be Miracle Grow, that's just what James has been buying in the bigger containers. I have used another brand which I bought in a 25lb bag at the farmers co-op over by Fred; you can get it at local feed and seed stores as well. It's a 25-5-15 water soluble mixed at 8oz to 15 gal water. The ratio just depends on what the places are carrying at the time (15-5-10, 20-5-10,-25-5-10).

On the slow release, we do not use a triple number such as 10-10-10.
Everyone does everything different and you will read a hundred different ways to do things. You just need to find out what works for you and a SOIL TEST is the way to see what needs to be added. There are still some who use the triple number fertilizer, but I believe most have gone to the 3-1-2 ratio. Here's a link to what Dan Trimmer says about the care of daylilies; he talks about the fertilizer ratios. http://www.ctdaylily.com/trimm... The middle number (phosporus) can build up in the soil and be more harmful than good and that's why we don't use the triple number, we use a lower middle number. Again, it all depends on what your soil needs as to what you need to use.

How many daylilies do you have that you plan to use the slow release on? It will get way too expensive buying it in the smaller packages at Lowes or Home Depot if you have a lot. The Florikan (Nutricote) is only sold at those places in the small containers under the name Dynamite. A less expensive way to go is to check with your local nurseries, usually the feed and SEED stores will carry the big bags of stuff because they are catering to people who plant large amounts of seeds for gardens and such. Also, if you have farmer co-op stores in your area they sell it as well. But DO price shop because around here a bag can be $39.99 up to $125.99. Some places mark theirs up way too much. It doesn't have to be Florikan either. Scott's puts out a good slow release (which I have used) and there's Osmocote (which I have used) and I'm sure there are other brands that are good.

It's not anyone on here, but I have been on other places where some people read what one person uses and decides to do what they do. Then they read what someone else does and decides they should do that, and then reads what someones else does and does that, and so on and so on. If it's not broke don't fix it. If you have beautiful, healthy daylilies you must be doing something right and you probably shouldn't change thing. But if you need a little something to help them along then you need to soil test. It could be something like the soil ph is too low or too high. This will keep the daylilies from absorbing the nutrients they need. I keep stressing soil test because this will save you $$$$$ in the long run because if you just add thing to the soil and don't really know what it needs you may be spending money on products that aren't needed and won't solve the problem and then you have to go and add something else.

Tree roots are a killer. Weeds will do the same thing in pots, you wonder where the soil went and it's just a tangles mess of roots if left in there too long. You will either eventually have to build raised beds, move the pots else where (probably your best bet if you have enough room), or cut the trees down.
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Dec 23, 2011 10:29 AM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
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Mona, I think it would be a shame to cut the trees down, it doesn't matter what type of tree you plant there will be a lot of roots to deal with. Just my opinion. Shrug!
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Dec 23, 2011 3:32 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

Charter ATP Member Region: Gulf Coast I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Amaryllis Region: United States of America Garden Ideas: Level 2
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Good information and advice from Michele. I finally got around to take a photo of the seedlings this afternoon. These are Tets.
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These are Dip UFs.
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Dec 23, 2011 3:38 PM CST
Name: Margaret
Near Kamloops, BC, Canada (Zone 3a)
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Their really looking good Fred. Thumbs up
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Dec 23, 2011 6:48 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dragonflies Pollen collector Garden Ideas: Level 2
Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Hummingbirder Region: Florida Daylilies Container Gardener Butterflies
See, I told you they are huge!!!! They are on steroids Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

Fred mentioned starting a thread about "Mistakes to Avoid" and this shall be one of my imputs. I didn't seperate our dips from the tets. I was too worried about getting everything planted in case we had another winter like the past 2 years and busy just trying to get everything done that I just planted everything. Well, the mistake started with the seed trays. I should have seperated the the seeds into dips and tets back then.

Next year the seeds will be planted differently. We will do spiders and ufs together and have them seperated into dips and tets. All of mine are tets so I will just keep mine away from the spider/UFs.

So to remedy this problem for when scoping out keepers in the spring to know if they are dips or tets, when I put the tags in the pvc pipe I will add a D or T to the tag.
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Dec 23, 2011 7:11 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dragonflies Pollen collector Garden Ideas: Level 2
Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Hummingbirder Region: Florida Daylilies Container Gardener Butterflies
Fred, when you do a cross, what is the most seeds you keep of that cross. I've heard some people say they only keep 5 of each cross and some keep no more than 10. But some keep everything. I guess that's why some people plant 10,000 or 20,000 seeds each year. I don't think I would want to do that many even if I had the room.
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Dec 24, 2011 6:52 AM CST
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Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

Charter ATP Member Region: Gulf Coast I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Amaryllis Region: United States of America Garden Ideas: Level 2
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When I stopped selling seed I only cross what I want to plant. I will make the same cross several times if it's something I am really interested in. The most seed I have planted from one cross recently is about 60 and the least is 1, the average would be 10 - 14. When I was younger and dumber and planting 10,000 seedlings each year I may have done more than 60, but very few times. I only make seed for six weeks now and not the whole bloom season.
When you were over here Thursday I told you that you need to focus on a couple of hybridizing goals and not try to work with every daylily form. I know this is hard to do when your first starting out and everything looks so good when you have that pollen in your hand. I was the same way and I still stray once in a while but I have learned that the old body can't keep up with my imagination any longer. This is not just for Michele but any other youngsters out there in daylily land, set some goals and let someone else do the rest.

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