Plant ID forum: Palm from Brazil for ID please

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Name: Myriam
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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bonitin
Dec 7, 2011 8:15 AM CST
I would not call it a friendly palm, because one really had to watch out for its mean 'thorns' shed all over the forest floor when stepping on them, especially when only wearing toe slippers Hilarious!
These were needle hard and sharp, pitch black, quite long too with around 5 cm length.
I met these big palms in a dense rainforest in the immediate proximity of the sea. It was impossible to take a shot of the whole palm because of the density of the vegetation..The foliage was a very dark green, the underside silver-grayish..
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Name: Hetty
Sunny Naples, Florida (Zone 10a)
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Dutchlady1
Dec 7, 2011 8:32 AM CST
A type of Arenga?
Name: Hetty
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Dutchlady1
Dec 7, 2011 8:34 AM CST
Could be Arenga pinnata
Name: Myriam
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bonitin
Dec 7, 2011 8:51 AM CST
Thanks Hetty, maybe an Arenga sp, but Arenga pinnata it cannot be as that originates from Asia..
I have been googling images of Arenga but didn't find any pictures yet with the black needles all over it, the needles where not only on the trunk but also on the underside of the 'fronds'..
Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Dec 7, 2011 12:00 PM CST
Bactris setosa has lots of spines, not sure if the trunk is correct or if it has silvered leaves..

http://sites.google.com/site/florasbs/arecaceae/tucum-1

http://www.arvores.brasil.nom.br/new/palmeiratucum/index.htm

There are other Bactris species in Brazil..


Arecaceae Bactris acanthocarpa Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris acanthocarpa Mart. var. acanthocarpa
Arecaceae Bactris acanthocarpa var. exscapa Barb.Rodr.
Arecaceae Bactris acanthocarpa var. intermedia A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris acanthocarpa var. trailiana (Barb.Rodr.) A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris acanthocarpoides Barb.Rodr.
Arecaceae Bactris aubletiana Trail
Arecaceae Bactris bahiensis Noblick ex A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris balanophora Spruce
Arecaceae Bactris bidentula Spruce
Arecaceae Bactris bifida Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris brongniartii Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris campestris Poepp.
Arecaceae Bactris caryotifolia Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris chaveziae A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris concinna Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris constanciae Barb.Rodr.
Arecaceae Bactris corossilla H.Karst.
Arecaceae Bactris cuspidata Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris elegans Barb.Rodr.
Arecaceae Bactris ferruginea Burret
Arecaceae Bactris fissifrons Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris gasipaes Kunth
Arecaceae Bactris gasipaes var. chichagui (H.Karst.) A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris gasipaes Kunth var. gasipaes
Arecaceae Bactris gastoniana Barb.Rodr.
Arecaceae Bactris glassmanii Med.-Costa & Noblick ex A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris glaucescens Drude
Arecaceae Bactris halmoorei A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris hatschbachii Noblick ex A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris hirta Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris hirta Mart. var. hirta
Arecaceae Bactris hirta var. lakoi (Burret) A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris horridispatha Noblick ex A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris killipii Burret
Arecaceae Bactris macroacantha Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris major Jacq.
Arecaceae Bactris major var. infesta (Mart.) Drude
Arecaceae Bactris major Jacq. var. major
Arecaceae Bactris maraja Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris maraja var. chaetospatha (Mart.) A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris maraja var. juruensis (Trail) A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris maraja Mart. var. maraja
Arecaceae Bactris maraja var. trichospatha (Trail) A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris martiana A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris oligocarpa Barb.Rodr. & Trail
Arecaceae Bactris pickelii Burret
Arecaceae Bactris pliniana Granv. & A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris rhaphidacantha Wess.Boer
Arecaceae Bactris riparia Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris schultesii (L.H.Bailey) Glassman
Arecaceae Bactris setosa Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris simplicifrons Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris soeiroana Noblick ex A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris sphaerocarpa Trail
Arecaceae Bactris syagroides Barb.Rodr. & Trail
Arecaceae Bactris tefensis A.J.Hend.
Arecaceae Bactris timbuiensis H.Q.B.Fern.
Arecaceae Bactris tomentosa Mart.
Arecaceae Bactris turbinocarpa Barb.Rodr.
Arecaceae Bactris vulgaris Barb.Rodr.

Rare Palm seeds might help with some of them, haven't checked them out yet. Hilarious!

http://www.rarepalmseeds.com/archive.shtml

Name: Myriam
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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bonitin
Dec 7, 2011 1:41 PM CST
Thanks so much Janet, it sure is a Bactis sp. Thumbs up
I'm not sure if mine is Bactis setosa, but I have seen others more younger palms that look exactly like that, the one I photographed was an old tree with a very thick trunk..
I'll do some search with Bactis sps from the area I was in..
Name: Myriam
Ghent, Belgium (Zone 8a)
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bonitin
Jun 9, 2014 6:14 AM CST
I found it! Hurray!
I met the same palm again like on my trip 4 years ago.
The Bactris route was leading to a dead end, I didn't find any with the silvery undersides of the fronds nor the arrangement of the spines on the trunk.
Then I came upon an Astrocaryum sp somewhere on the web, forgot where Rolling my eyes. and my guts told me I was on the right track!
The Flora do Brasil only mentions 1 species (fortunately! Hilarious! )
It is Astrocaryum aculeatissimum!

https://www.google.be/search?q=Astrocaryum+aculeatissimum&cl...

Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Jun 9, 2014 6:55 AM CST
Hurray!

I seem to remember all those spines. Hilarious!

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