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Dec 31, 2011 8:53 AM CST
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Name: Char
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Hi Fred,
Maybe it's time and I should start with a bit of history relating to the My DL issue. When I was preparing the first article on Sculpted forms back late summer of 2008 I asked various hybridizers if I could use their images in the article. One of the images I asked to use was Michael's Sword. At this point, there were no official terms for the various forms and ithe article was submitted using the term beard (for what is now the Sculpted Cristate form). The members of the AHS Scientific committee correctly denied the use of beard, it is a botanical term with a long standing definition in botany and does not apply to daylilies or this form, as well as other terms that were proposed for incorrect botanical usage. Futher discussions on what terms could be used with the hybridizers and SSC for the forms in the article and the realization that constructive, friendly conversation was impossible regarding the term beard, I had no choice but to remove Michael's Sword from the article. After the first article was published, the My DL site came to be and the incorrect and confusing information about this form of sculpting surfaced. After the publishing of the second article in the winter 09 Daylily Journal work began with several committees, including an informal Sculpted form committee and others within AHS, as well as expert outside sources, working to officially define Sculpted form and the sub-forms Pleated, Relief and Cristate for registration. Now that we have official definitions and Sculpted forms are accepted by AHS, the registration authority for Hemerocallis, it is important that the correct information about Sculpted forms is made available. The accepted forms of Sculpted are Pleated, Relief and Cristate. Sculpted forms all involve structural changes to the surfaces of the petal. A daylily can have one form of sculpting or even all three.
Your seedling pictured above would be considered a Sculpted Pleated Cristate form for registration as has been defined by AHS. The seedling exhibits the folding and raised platform seen in the Pleated form as well as the appendages of petal tissue on the petal surface of the Cristate form. I hope you've had a chance to view the PowerPoint on Sculpted forms. There is more information available there than could be covered within the pages of the Daylily Journal article. Below is a cross section of the petal from Sigourney used in the Shapes of Distinction article showing the appendages growing from the petal surface.


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Dec 31, 2011 10:11 AM CST
Name: Kim W
Md (Zone 6a)
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Great info Char! I tip my hat to you.
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Dec 31, 2011 11:34 AM CST
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Name: Mona
Guntown, Ms (Zone 7b)
I love nature & everything outdoors
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Ok, I'm now going to have to keep the journal handy to see the three forms. When they combine like this, I'll get really confused. I guess I'll have to depend on ya'll to register the forms correctly until I have one that I grow that needs defining. Then, I'll call in the wonderful world of using the internet to post a picture that can be viewed by you that know and can define the type. You have my total admiration for all the work you have completed and the work that will come on each day as the daylily grows in definition. I think that daylilies can prove to be an infinite plant with each passing seedling year. That's what makes us all so "addicted" to a plant.

Thank you all for your hard work. I also thank the people that provide us with sites like this and the AHS site to find out the information that keeps us going. Blessings, Mona
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Dec 31, 2011 1:48 PM CST
Name: Janice
Cape Cod, MA, USA (Zone 7a)
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yes, Great info!
There are two ways to live your life.
One is as though nothing is a miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle
- Albert Einstein.
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Dec 31, 2011 1:50 PM CST
Name: Jan
Hustisford, WI
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Wow Char, great info
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Dec 31, 2011 1:53 PM CST
Name: Kim W
Md (Zone 6a)
More daylilies!!!!
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Pollen collector Cat Lover Daylilies Plant and/or Seed Trader
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Janice,
That is Tippy Toes. The pic is from last Xmas, the shirt says Elf sized on the back Rolling on the floor laughing . She doesn't wear that one a lot, but she does have a lavender one she really likes and wears a good bit. Green Grin! Her sister Zelda is a fashonista, she has at least a dozen different shirts that she wears often in the winter. Hilarious!
It's my cats world, I'm just here to open the cans.
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Dec 31, 2011 1:57 PM CST
Name: Janice
Cape Cod, MA, USA (Zone 7a)
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cottage Gardener Garden Ideas: Master Level Sempervivums Tip Photographer
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Great, the cat here runs away if he sees a blanket coming!!
Tippy is sooooo cute in that!
Adorable. (I edited my last post as I was feeling very "OT", Glad you caught it, Kim!!)
There are two ways to live your life.
One is as though nothing is a miracle.
The other is as though everything is a miracle
- Albert Einstein.
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Dec 31, 2011 2:20 PM CST
Name: Fred Manning
Lillian Alabama

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Thanks Char I will study the PowerPoint program, I now have it on a disk.
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Dec 31, 2011 8:59 PM CST
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Name: Mona
Guntown, Ms (Zone 7b)
I love nature & everything outdoors
Daylilies Dog Lover
I just visited the GardenWeb site daylily forum. Julie had posted on there that the journals are all mailed at the same time from California and that everyone should be getting theirs by next week. This will be the three weeks since they shipped schedule that she mentioned. Is there anyone that still doesn't have it? Of course she mentioned that the Holidays will probably have an effect on some peoples. I guess Monday the PO will be off for New Years day holiday. So maybe Tuesday will be the magic day for everyone. Blessings to all, Mona
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Jan 1, 2012 12:18 PM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dragonflies Pollen collector Garden Ideas: Level 2
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Don't have mine yet. Maybe I'll get it Tuesday.
www.pensacoladaylilyclub.com
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Jan 1, 2012 6:10 PM CST
Name: Jan
Hustisford, WI
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Cat Lover Daylilies Dog Lover Irises Region: United States of America
Region: Wisconsin
We have the same situation with our county 4H newsletter. Even though the newsletters are all mailed on the same day, and don't go outside the county,, it can take a few days, to 3+ weeks to arrive. When questioning the post office, what was discovered (and this is what I was told, not what I actually know) is that bulk mail is less expensive, and therefore is processed by the various post offices when they have time and room to do so. I imagine that things are even longer than usual because of the Christmas holidays ~Jan
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Jan 4, 2012 1:27 PM CST
Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
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I have really enjoyed looking thru the Journal. Plus the new inserts. So many to drool over lol.
Teresa
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Jan 4, 2012 1:47 PM CST
Thread OP
Name: Mona
Guntown, Ms (Zone 7b)
I love nature & everything outdoors
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Hi Teresa,
It is by far one of the best journals that I've gotten. It made me want to get up out of my nice warm recliner and go outside and do something to make my plants grow. I also still have several thousand seeds that need planting. So, I can't say that I have nothing to do.

The people that created and worked and wrote all the articles need an award for doing the best!

Blessings to all, Mona
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Jan 4, 2012 7:46 PM CST
Name: Kim W
Md (Zone 6a)
More daylilies!!!!
Charter ATP Member I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Pollen collector Cat Lover Daylilies Plant and/or Seed Trader
Hostas Echinacea Garden Art Region: Northeast US Region: United States of America
I finally got mine yesterday Hurray! Hurray! I skimmed thru looking at all the beautiful pics and plan to take more time doing a thorough read thru later this week.
It's my cats world, I'm just here to open the cans.
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Jan 6, 2012 7:02 AM CST
Name: bb
north of boston on the coast
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Level 1
I too think that Meg has been doing a fantastic job on the AHS Journal. And she searches out members for contributing new articles.

As she raises her hand here!

Hope you are enjoying the BITE SIZE DESIGN articles. Just finished the next one for the Spring Article!

I thought this last Journal one of the best ever. Lotsa info and lotsa pictures.

BB
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Jan 6, 2012 9:09 AM CST
Name: Michele
Cantonment, FL zone 8b
Seller of Garden Stuff Region: United States of America I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Dragonflies Pollen collector Garden Ideas: Level 2
Hosted a Not-A-Raffle-Raffle Hummingbirder Region: Florida Daylilies Container Gardener Butterflies
I still haven't gotten mine. Kim's journal went to the old address so at least I have that one to look at. I contacted AHS Publications to see if they could tell me where they sent mine.
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Jan 6, 2012 10:45 AM CST
Name: Juli
Ohio (Zone 6a)
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I still have not read mine, but I have looked through it. *Blush*
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Jan 7, 2012 12:22 PM CST
Name: Sandi
Franklin, WI (Zone 5a)
I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Daylilies
I always look forward to getting the journal. It's worth the membership cost.
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Jan 8, 2012 5:31 AM CST
Name: Teresa Felty Barrow
South central KY (Zone 6b)
SONGBIRD GARDENS
Birds Hummingbirder Hybridizer Irises Lilies Peonies
Sempervivums Plant and/or Seed Trader Region: United States of America Vegetable Grower Hostas Heucheras
Yes, while I sit by the fireplace with computer, catalogs, books, etc.surrounding me, I plan my garden for Spring. A new pergola perhaps, new plants, seeds to plant, so many chores and not enough energy. If we could only order that too lol.
Bee Kind, make the world a better place.
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Jan 15, 2012 2:05 PM CST
Name: Julia
Shepherdstown WV (Zone 6b)
Clematis I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Daylilies Hummingbirder Irises Region: New York
Seed Starter Vegetable Grower
I skimmed through mine but it looks like Meg did another fantastic job with it. I'll wait for either another rainy day or snow day to sit and read it.
Big Grin
Julia
Shepherdstown WV
Zone 6b

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