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Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Dec 17, 2011 11:56 AM CST
This cross is liberina x sc starburst, 6in. I can't decide whether it is good as a bridge plant or not.
The blossom is not one that grabs you but it had 242 buds on it this past season.
Hubby counted them. And it continued to bloom the rest of the season.

This photo is from this past season, year 3.
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This photo is year 2.
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This photo is from this past season year three.
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Please excuse foliage, the plants were damaged by hail this year.
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monalisa18
Dec 17, 2011 12:00 PM CST
Wow Shirley, That's a lot of buds in anybodys book. I would use it in breeding for just that reason alone. It's also a fine looking bloom. congratulations on a fine plant! Blessings, Mona
Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Dec 17, 2011 12:32 PM CST
Thank you very much mona. This plant had more buds than anything else in my garden.
However, I don't know how that compares with others. Or, what constitutes
what is referred to as a bud builder. Bud building and disease resistance is in
the list of goals to aim for, as no doubt a goal of most.

Just looked at my cross list and I did cross it this year with some newer plants, but it will be
one or more years before I see what genes will be in play. There are over 2000 seedlings
in this house this winter, the most I have done, and I forget what I have.
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Betja
Dec 17, 2011 12:46 PM CST
I think it looks terrific, Shirley!

Betty
Name: Kim W
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kimkats
Dec 17, 2011 1:03 PM CST
I'd use it! That is a lot of buds and something to breed into your lines. It may take a few years but when you get the face your dreaming about on a plant with buds like that it will be worth the wait. Green Grin! Big Grin
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rebloomnut
Dec 17, 2011 1:10 PM CST
Shirley Bud Builders are ones who continue to make buds and the scape becomes taller and taller as it does this. When you think you see all the buds suddenly there are more coming.

This is not an unattractive bloom and with that many buds and it appears to make scapes easily, I would take some very nice blooms you like to it and try to get the plant habit into them. It may prove to be a very valuable bridge plant, This is exciting to have such a great plant. Thumbs up Thumbs up
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daylily
Dec 17, 2011 1:39 PM CST
I think it looks good too! I would give it another year. Then divide it and see if it does the same thing after being divided. In my experience, some plants never scape or bud as well as they did before that first division.

I bumped our bud builder thread for you - or you can click here
The thread "Bud builders" in Daylilies forum

I am really interested in bud builders.
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Hemlady
Dec 17, 2011 1:43 PM CST
I would definitely use it for breeding. That is a terrific plant. Do you happen to know how many buds per scape???
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Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Dec 17, 2011 1:48 PM CST
Thanks Guys,

I think this one may be a bud builder. I flagged it as rebloomer, but it had a flush of blooms all season.
Didn't notice though if the scapes were taller. Unfortunately, didn't give it that much attention. Had
too many new seedlings to photograph and catalog.

It is also extremely pod fertile. Haven't tried pollen yet. I crossed it with Written on the Wind, Gary Colby, and seedlings. Think I will cross it with prissy girl and some other eye/edge ones next season. Have to check parentage first.

You guys have already convinced me to spend some time with it. Thanks for the input.

And yes, it most likely would take years. Something brewing in the background while working with
newer ones.

Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Dec 17, 2011 2:08 PM CST
Okay, after seeing the pics of the bud builder scapes, I think I would have noticed that
kind of scape no matter how busy I was. So, guess it's not a bud builder. Thanks Julie
and Stephanie for the valuable info, Kim, Betty, Cindy for valuable opinions.

Cindy, I don't know how many buds per scape. I did notice lots of large buds, then smaller
and more coming behind in succession, just waiting in cue to enlarge and bloom. That
is what did get my attention.

Also, it has been moved once, but not divided.
Name: Kim W
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kimkats
Dec 17, 2011 4:06 PM CST
Whatever you do -DO NOT COMPOST IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whistling Whistling Send it east if your gonna do that.... hint hint. Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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Name: Mona
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monalisa18
Dec 17, 2011 4:29 PM CST
dangit Kim, I sould have asked first! Oh well, second in line isn't a bad place to be! Me to, me to, I'll gladly give directions.

Blessings, Mona
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tink3472
Dec 17, 2011 8:47 PM CST
Very nice. I can see there is nice branching on the scapes. As Juli said, do divide it. Sometimes a daylily will just up and die after being divided for whatever reason so you want to make sure it's not going to do that either.
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Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Dec 17, 2011 10:07 PM CST
Kim and Mona, I will keep you two in mind. I have yet to ship or sell a daylily, so first I have
to find out what is involved with state regulations, or whatever else is involved with plants.
Someone feel free to enlighten me. Big Grin

Michele, I didn't know that. We have moved plants in clumps with part of the plant breaking away, not cut, and did not have any to die as yet anyway.

Will make dividing part of the program. Good to know.

I have had seedlings come up the first year and then die before
blooming, but not any of the ones that survived enough to bloom or any that I bought. I just thought a daylily was super hardy.

Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Dec 17, 2011 10:34 PM CST
Oops, having said that about the hardiness, they might make a liar out of me
with winter kill. That is when I worry about them every year. But so far, so good.

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tink3472
Dec 17, 2011 11:38 PM CST
I believe Fred (Spunky1) had one that he registered before he divided it (years ago) and when he did divide it, it didn't like it and died. Correct me if I'm wrong Fred Green Grin! He knows more about that than I do. If Lyle pops in he could chime in on the dividing thing too.
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Hemlady
Dec 18, 2011 4:47 AM CST
I haven't had any die from dividing but it did stut them enough that they wouldn't bloom.
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spunky1
Dec 18, 2011 5:22 AM CST
I did register a daylily and every one died after dividing it the third time. I had about 20 double fans and had grown it three years without a problem. So there is a daylily in the AHS data base that doesn't exist. I tried to have it removed but we had a different registrar back then and nothing was ever done.
Looks like you have a keeper Shirley, just keep records of the bud count per scape, height of the scape, bloom size and if its ev, sev, or dormant, you will need this information if you decide to registered it in the future.
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tink3472
Dec 18, 2011 7:37 AM CST
I had a seedling that I know had been divided before I got it (not sure how many times). I divided it this fall and potted it up. I think I had 6 pots of it and one by one they started dying on me until I have non.
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Name: shirlee
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mistyfog
Dec 18, 2011 9:48 AM CST
Here I thought by moving them that I was giving them a hardiness test.

Sounds like dividing is the real test. I only have a handful of three year old seedlings out of many,
so that won't be much to handle. None of them are register quality, one or two may be okay for bridge plants, which is why I posted about this one. The rest will be culled.

However, I have 500+ seedlings that will be 2 years old this spring. Time to evaluate and cull.
200+ will bloom for the first time in the spring, and 2000+ in the house to plant if all continue to live
through the winter. Just thinking about this has me a bit overwhelmed. I don't want to keep more
than I can take care of. The last two years, I have bought newer parents, mostly 08- 09 registrations
and am excited to work with them just to see what they will do.

Wow, Michele and Fred, losing those plants after all that time, and they didn't like being divided.
I am going to be especially careful with newer parents and their seedlings. If I can figure out how
to be careful. I had no idea. Thanks for that info. This is certainly the place to learn.

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