http://www.daffodilusa.org/daf...
Yes, there are daffodils with very orangey/red perianths where the red of the corona is described as bleeding into the perianth. Such a daffodil is Ambergate.
There are definitely greenish perianths. I had some blooming last year. The name escapes me at the moment, but there are quite a few now with that lime/white color of the perianth.

Here is a green one sold by Brent & Beckys called Exotic Mystery.In their catalog they say it is described as being yellow, but is green most of its life.

Can ya'll summarize this for me, then, so that there are no mistakes when I add it? Making changes is a lot more difficult that adding new things.

Divisions

DIVISION 1 - Trumpet

DIVSION 2 - Large - cupped

DIVISION 3 - Small - cupped

DIVISION 4 - Double

DIVISION 5 - Triandrus

DIVISION 6 - Cyclamineus

DIVISION 7 - Jonquilla

DIVISION 8 - Tazetta

DIVISION 9 - Poeticus

DIVISION 10 - Bulboccodium

DIVISION 11 - Split Corona

DIVISION 12 - Other Cultivars

DIVISION 13 - Species
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color

Perianth (Petals) (with a drop down box of the colors)............................white, yellow, orange, pink, green
Corona (Cup) ( with a drop down box of the colors) ......................... white, yellow, orange, red, pink, green

Janet I removed red from the perianth color choices.

What is "other (category)"?

Is that a standalone field that gives a text area to write something in? Is it not associated the colors above?

Yes, Dave it is with the Color category to enter additional color description.
I think the "Other" category will be a useful area to describe when there are unusual configurations of colors such as with the split coronas(see Trepolo) and the Div 4 Doubles where there are more than 2 colors.

Narcissus 'Exotic Mystery'

https://store.brentandbeckysbu...

http://www.gapphotos.com/image...

The colours bleeding into the perianth doesn't actually make the perianth that colour though, it might get a bit confusing (and messy) listing a perianth as green when the base colour is not. Same with the corona, some are orange with a red edge etc. I would think the base colour is the only one which should be given or we get into too many variables. I have Narcissus nobis var. nobilis where the perianth has a lot of yellow on it but I would still class the perianth a white.

Giving a combination of perianth (1st colour) with corona (2nd colour) as they have done on the site I linked to makes life simple for searching colour preferences..

http://www.qualitydaffodils.co...

Wouldn't a list like this cover it all? Gold really could be a yellow or orange, there's shades of all colours.

All white

White with Red or Orange

White with Pink

White with Yellow

All yellow

Yellow with Red or Orange

Yellow with White

Yellow with Pink

Orange with Orange or Red

White or yellow with green

Nice list, Janet! I agree about yellow, and gold being a shade.
However I like seeing the perianth color and the corona color, so we know when we say it is white and yellow which is which. Just an organizational thing.

Here is a source of daffodil colors.
http://www.daffodilusa.org/daf...

JRsbugs said:Features to list:

Season:

Very Early
Early
Mid Season
Late
Very Late

These seasons will differ according to lacation so I doubt it's a good idea to list months with flowering periods.

Categories:

Historical Variety
Scented Daffodils
Miniature Daffodils
Intermediate Size
Tall Daffodils

I'm not sure 'tall' fits here as most don't grow that tall. (I added tall as there is a difference, some are listed as tall!)

I'm not sure if colour is necessary either, they are white or yellow perianth with white, yellow, green, orange, red or pink corona. Could color be included somehow in the categories? Some are bicoloured too but the main colour is usually dominant.

White perianth
Yellow perianth
White corona
Yellow corona
Orange corona
Green corona
Red corona
Pink corona

There's doubles with bicoloured centres and singles with a coloured corona rim, may bicoloured can be included if colours are listed.

These are great, Janet. We need the Categories and the Bloom times.

OK Janice, I see you are trying to accurately describe the colours as on the daffodil society. I looked at some examples from the link at the bottom.

http://www.daffodilusa.org/daf...

They are using a single letter for each colour, and are trying to describe the full colouring of each species or cultivar as a sort of identification aid. Is that what we want?

I was under the impression we were looking to have a search engine to aid people in a search for a particular colour combination, not something which they know the exact colour of and are looking for an ID.

Dave, what's your view on this?

I don't think we want to use a single letter like that. We want the database to be friendly to people who are coming in for information, and "Yellow" is so much more helpful and user-friendly than "Y".

How do you think the search should be done though Dave, with a list of combinations of colours or single colours for both perianth and corona?

I think the word needs to be spelled out as well.

I provided that link, Janet, for informational purposes.

I agree with the colour being spelled out, I'm just confused as to the purpose of the search engine. If we are listing precise colours to search for, that is great if someone has a daffodil of a certain colouring and is looking for a name for it. If they are just wanting to find daffodils because they want a certain colour scheme that's a different story and a different approach.

What exactly is the purpose of the search engine?

I was thinking maybe the words perianth and corona are not user friendly for the general public,
and perhaps saying Cup (Corona) and Petals (Perianth) might be better.

I was thinking the same Janice, if the search engine is to be user friendly it needs to be simple and easily understood.

Ideally it would be good to have the best of both, where it's user friendly but also a good identification aid.

So, we could use the drop down boxes with titles above:

Perianth (petals) and Corona (cup)

Personally, I think it's a great idea to be specific about the perianth and cup colours, but to keep it to a basic colour or we get into too much detail for both perianth and cup, some cups are described as having three colours! We need to think about how these colours will be described on each entry in the database so the search engine will pick up the colours on a search. When I see one described with a cup colour such as on Emerald Light, we have GYO or green, yellow and orange. I'm thinking, whaaaat? I can see it has a more green throat, and an orange edge, the part in between fades from a stronger green to a greenish-yellow. To tie that up with a search could be difficult, it would seem to me best to stick with the main base colour which I would say is green. But, if each entry in the database is going to be described according to the official sources then we have a problem. Is it best to just list the base colour? The rest is obvious once brought up in a search if there are photos, if there are no photos then the description would be lacking.

To have a credible database it would seem necessary to describe each flower with all colours, if we did that I guess the search engine would pick them up anyway with the base colour only in the search engine?

Is it possible to have three drop down boxes, one with perianth colour, one with corona colour, another as a simple combination search. The simple search would make it easier for those wanting say a white perianth with red centre, or all white, all yellow, but I guess that can also be done with the drop down boxes! OK I think I have answered my own thoughts, but the original worry was there was too many variables with separating the perianth and corona colours, for example "white with orange or red" would give a good variety within that range. That would mean the search engine and colour descriptions would have to tie in, so the search engine would have to be able to pick up those with base colour of white perianth and a cup base colour of red or orange or both. I don't know how difficult that would be, Dave will have a better idea. I'm taking notice of how the colour search has been arranged on the daffodil site here which I linked to, they are experts and will have known the most common colour combinations (with the exception of the green which I added as there are some with a green cup). They have also made it so you can search for dwarf or intermediate heights, scented and historical varieties. These features I feel sure would be of use to many.

JRsbugs said:
Personally, I think it's a great idea to be specific about the perianth and cup colours, but to keep it to a basic colour or we get into too much detail for both perianth and cup, some cups are described as having three colours!

This is not a problem. What we do is have a "Perianth color" area with multiple choice checkboxes, listing out all the possible colors. You then check off all that apply.

So in this "GYO" example, you would check off green, yellow and orange.

Then when later a user does a search for all daffodils that contain green in their perianth, it finds all the daffodils that have green checked off. If someone else searching for daffs that have both yellow and orange in their perianth, they will be able to do so and find this particular cultivar.

That's great Dave, with being able to do multiple choices there's no problem with having all the colours listed in both perianth and corona.

So, the colours as already mentioned for drop down boxes will do the job nicely! I think Janice listed all the colours above for both, not sure if gold should be used though as that isn't included in the daffodil society's list which is as follows..

2. Color codes used to describe the color of daffodils are as follows:

W - White or Whitish
G -Green
Y - Yellow
P - Pink
O - Orange
R - Red

Divisions

DIVISION 1 - Trumpet (Long Cupped)

DIVSION 2 - Large-Cupped

DIVISION 3 - Small-Cupped

DIVISION 4 - Double

DIVISION 5 - Triandrus

DIVISION 6 - Cyclamineus

DIVISION 7 - Jonquilla

DIVISION 8 - Tazetta

DIVISION 9 - Poeticus

DIVISION 10 - Bulboccodium

DIVISION 11 - Split-Cupped

DIVISION 11A - Collar

DIVISION 11B - Papillon

DIVISION 12 - Misc. (Other Cultivars)

DIVISION 13 - Species (Botanical and Wild Variant)

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Color

Perianth (Petals) (with a drop down box of the colors)............................white, yellow, orange, pink, green

Corona (Cup) ( with a drop down box of the colors) ......................... white, yellow, orange, red, pink, green

Description ___________________________
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Bloom Season (with a drop down box):

VE - Very Early Spring
EM - Early to Mid Spring
M - Mid Spring
ML - Mid to Late Spring
L - Late Spring
VL - Very Late Spring
Fall or Autumn
Unknown
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Height Classification (with a drop down box denoting height classification ):

Dwarf (to 12.8 ")
Standard (12.8" to 26.6")
Tall (over 26.6")
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Special Classes: (with drop down box)

Historic
Miniature
Intermediate


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Hybridizer ________________________
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Year
____ or earlier (check box) or later (check box) or year range to ____
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Country of Origin (drop down box)

All countries
Australia
Canada
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Hungary
Ireland
Israel
Japan
Latvia
Morocco
New Zealand
Portugal
Spain
the Netherlands
United Kingdom
England
Northern Ireland
Scotland
Wales
Channel Islands
Isles of Scilly
Turkey
United States
Unknown
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Awards (drop down Box)

All
Award of Garden Merit
Award of Merit
Commended
Forcing Award
First Class Certificate
Highly Commended
Innovation Medal
Pannill Award
Trial Garden Award
White Memorial Medal
Wister Award


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There is some overlap there with the information already presented in the Primary Plant Details that apply to all plants. I have reservations about duplicating that information.