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Name: Chris
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goldfinch4
Jan 12, 2012 4:00 PM CST
Has any thought ever been given to setting up some type of glossary for garden terms? I remember when I was first starting out trying to learn about plants that it was very frustrating to have to always try to find the meaning of gardening terms I was reading about. I'm not talking about anything plant-specific at this time, just general gardening terms to help new gardeners out...
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jan 12, 2012 4:16 PM CST
Great idea Chris. Then we could have a Glossary Tab at the top of the page. Easy to find. Thumbs up
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Trish
Jan 12, 2012 4:53 PM CST

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I wonder if there is an interest....
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jan 12, 2012 6:16 PM CST
There are many words listed on this site, you have to click on each category to see the lists of words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_plant_morphology_te...

Flower parts alone is worth having a glossary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_plant_morphology_te...
Name: Chris
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goldfinch4
Jan 13, 2012 1:32 AM CST
Good links Lynn!
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jan 13, 2012 9:16 AM CST
We'd never have to leave ATP to find a definition for some of the plants terms. We'd have it right here. Thumbs up
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Jan 13, 2012 9:50 AM CST
i think it would be wonderful.
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fiwit
Jan 13, 2012 9:56 AM CST
oh, yeah! Things like "winter sowing", "true leaves" etc would be great for folks who are new to all this. Please, if you create one, remember that not everyone is experienced, and that new folks need a friendly place to learn things
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NJBob
Jan 13, 2012 11:12 AM CST
Good idea , will not have to Google something will be able to find it right here.
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RickCorey
Jan 13, 2012 7:07 PM CST
If we do have a glossary, I have a vote about the meaning of "OP" or "open pollinated".

I recently encounted a new usage of the term that frankly horrified me because it contradicts the existing meaning of the term, and makes meaningless every traded or purchased seed packet labelled "OP".

The new usage is like using the term "organic vegetable" to mean any vegetable that contains carbohydrates, i.e. "every single vegetable ever grown", even if drenched in malathione and urea.


"OP" DOES refer to a strain, variety or cultivar that "comes true from seed" when crossed with itself.


Thus it excludes F1 hybrid strains, other hybrid strains, any strain that is not stable, and garden practices that cause it have more than (say) 10% cross-pollination with random other strains.

But "OP" means the STRAIN, not the practices under which it was multplied.

If you want to specify how 'clean' or how outbred it may be, that is a different matter.

You should say something like:
"OP, grown fairly near some cross-polinators" or
"OP grown in fairly reasonable isolation" or
"OP grown XX feet away from XXX strain".

That original meaning is usefull because it means one thing:
- - if you grow and cross and save and trade this seed,
- - you and others will grow out a population similar to the known parents, and
- - can preserve a known and valued cultivar.

It is also usefull because it excludes some important things:
- F1 hybrid seeds that won't come true,
- seeds of unknown pollen sources
- heavily out-crossed mongrel seeds: not for preserving heirlooms

It is widely-understood to mean that by breeders, seed vendors and seed buyers.

- - -
But it DOES NOT (or should not) be used to mean "randomly cross-pollinated to an unspecified degree with unspecified other varieties because it was grown and allowed to pollinate uncontrolledly with unknown (possible) nearby cross-pollinators".

That new sense means almost nothing, since in that sense the seed could be almost anything:
- a clean OP strain propagated cleanly, 99% with itself
- OP parents heavily cross pollinated with very different strains
- OP parents pollinated mostly by themsleves and maybe some others
- F1 Hybrid parents with or without other contamination.

The only thing it excludes is controlled pollination, e.g. by separation distance or bagging and hand-pollination.

I would argue that the second meaning has very little communication value, and it subtracts from the very significanty value of the traditional usage.

Instead of highjacking a needed term already in wide use, someone could say instead 'random-pollinated' (RP) or "unkown pollen parents" or "uncontrolled pollination" (UP).

I've seen definitions that go something like: "naturally pollinated by birds and bees and wind", but that's a lot like calling a vegetable "organic" because it contains carbohydrates. What does it mean other than "not bagged" and "not hand pollinated"?

My objection comes not from any issues with birds, bees or wind, but rather because the contradictory usage "pollutes" the term for everyone who wanted to communicate the original meaning of "OP strain" - for example, everyone who breeds, sells or buys seeds or tries to preserve heirloom strains.

(I kind of think that "OP" should probably not be used to describe an adaptivar or landrace, because it would be more proper to refer to those as "populations" not "strains".

A landrace is a population of plants or seeds containing a population of genes that (in combination and recombination) tend to be survivable or productive in a certain region. Not a strain, neither "OP" not "Hybrid".

Maybe there should be some terminology to express how varied the genetics and expression of a landrace is.

But I would defer to people who create and preserve landraces to decide what they want to call them, as long as it does not hijack and confuse the meaning of an existing important term.)

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Marylyn
Jan 13, 2012 8:31 PM CST
I would love a glossary, too!
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Jan 13, 2012 9:25 PM CST
I agree
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fiwit
Jan 14, 2012 7:45 AM CST
RickCorey said:If we do have a glossary, I have a vote about the meaning of "OP" or "open pollinated".

I recently encounted a new usage of the term that frankly horrified me because it contradicts the existing meaning of the term, and makes meaningless every traded or purchased seed packet labelled "OP".

The new usage is like using the term "organic vegetable" to mean any vegetable that contains carbohydrates, i.e. "every single vegetable ever grown", even if drenched in malathione and urea.



I understood this much of your post. I think that drives home the need for a glossary Hilarious!




(or else it proves how under-educated I am in gardening things) Whistling

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dave
Jan 14, 2012 8:13 AM CST

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Programming a glossary system is easy enough. Populating it with information is the hard part. Those of you who want a glossary, are you also wanting to do a lot of the leg work of filling in the words and definitions? Smiling
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goldfinch4
Jan 14, 2012 8:19 AM CST
Count me in! Thumbs up Hurray!

Edited to add that I vote for Rick to take care of the "OP" or "open pollinated" definition!
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Name: Lynn
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valleylynn
Jan 14, 2012 11:22 AM CST
Hurray! Count me in also. Thumbs up
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Sharon
Jan 14, 2012 12:06 PM CST
I can help somewhat with the glossary, particularly with the editing.
I've found that some terminology is one thing in one locale and something else in another; much the same as the names of wildflowers.

If there is a glossary, it needs to be letter perfect from beginning to end.
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Name: Chris
Ripon, Wisconsin
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goldfinch4
Jan 14, 2012 12:17 PM CST
I agree - someone really needs to moderate it and you would be perfect for that!
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Name: Lynn
Dallas, OR (Zone 8b)
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valleylynn
Jan 14, 2012 2:03 PM CST
I agree
Name: Horseshoe Griffin
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Horseshoe
Jan 14, 2012 7:03 PM CST
Ditto on the moderation being a must-have.

"If there is a glossary, it needs to be letter perfect from beginning to end."
And I second the motion for Sharon to sweep up! *grin

Proper spelling, complete sentences, non-rambling definitions are also a given. And I'd go so far as to say, to make it over-and above other glossaries perhaps a space to post a picture/photograph, if possible, to easily show a visual definition. (Think stigma, style, etc definition entries with a flower pic highlighting one or the other.) We SO work Dave to death, eh?

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