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Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
Mar 20, 2012 1:11 PM CST
Chelle ID these for me as Chionodoxa sardensis. Thumbs up Honestly I have had them forever and never knew what they were. These pics were taken yesterday.



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So I go look at Scheepers and I see the ones I have and I also see two others that I really like, Chionodoxa forbesii Blue Giant and Chionodoxa gigantea Violet Beauty. Plus the Chionodoxa sardensis. So now I will be ordering Chionodoxa for this fall also. I want 100 of each. Might as well get more blooming going around here.

So any of you grow Chionodoxa? Post pictures please! Smiling
Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
Mar 20, 2012 1:18 PM CST
http://www.johnscheepers.com/index.html

http://www.vanengelen.com/index.html

What a price diffence there is between Scheepers and their wholesale division, Van Engelen.

I was checking and the Chionodoxa forbesii Blue Giant is $26.75 for 50 at Scheepers and $26.70 for 100 at Van Engelen. Similiar price differences across the board on all the bulbs in all the catagories.
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Name: Lily Martagon
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sgardener
Mar 20, 2012 3:23 PM CST
Rita, I grow them too. Here in this pic, C. forbesii are growing with Puschkinia.

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Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
Mar 20, 2012 3:36 PM CST
Lily, very nice. Thumbs up
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chelle
Mar 21, 2012 9:07 AM CST
I just had the first bloom of my Chionodoxa Forbesii open this morning.


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Pretty, but I think I like the color clarity of sardensis just a bit more. Smiling
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Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
Mar 21, 2012 10:43 AM CST
I do like the deep blue color I have on mine however the pastel color you have is very pretty also.
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Newyorkrita
Mar 21, 2012 12:11 PM CST
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I am finding more and more open all over the yard every day.

Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
Apr 6, 2013 11:22 AM CST
The lovely blue flowers of the Chionodoxa bring in the spring.

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Marilyn
Apr 6, 2013 9:06 PM CST
Wonderful pics everyone! One of my favorite flowers! Lovey dubby Thumbs up

I just looked at my profile page looking for my pics of the gorgeous flower, but I guess I haven't gotten around to it yet. *Blush* Blinking

I even have the pink flowering version!
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Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
Apr 6, 2013 9:54 PM CST
I want to order more for this fall.
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doglover
Apr 12, 2013 2:57 PM CST
Lovely little flowers, Great to see the early signs of spring. I hope to attach some pictures of some of my mothers little plants that come up each year. I think the first one may be Puschkinia, the second one may be the chionodoxa and the third I believe she referred to it as star of persia. Does anyone know if these are the correct names?
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Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
Apr 12, 2013 3:16 PM CST
They are very pretty but I can't help with IDs.
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chelle
Apr 12, 2013 3:57 PM CST
First one does look like Puschkinia.
Third one is probably Ornithogalum umbellatum (Star-of-Bethlehem)
Can't really tell on the second one.

All are beautiful, doglover! Hurray!
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Name: Charlie
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SunnyBorders
Apr 13, 2013 2:21 PM CST
Puschkinia libanotica, though the species epithet seems to have changed or is about to be changed. (as said)

Scilla siberica

Ornithogalum umbellatum (as said)

The first two spread aggressively in my experience.
The second is actually notorious for spreading.
The third is a bit untidy but much better behaved (in my limited experience of using the plant).
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doglover
Apr 13, 2013 8:01 PM CST
Thank you everyone. I know they seem to spread but love them popping up in the spring and add color as a naturalizer under my dawn redwood and maple tree. They disappear later in the season. Is scilla siberica the same as chinodoxa? I will look them both up and compare. Isn't it a shame that if a plabnt does not go forth and spread their wings we are upset, and yet if they spread to much, we complain. hard to make us gardeners happy sometimes......LOL. I do not mind since I have the room for them and if it get to many I just transplant them.Better than those darn old dandelions, poison ivy, garlic mustard, neddle and what have you. Thanks folks..
Name: Charlie
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SunnyBorders
Apr 14, 2013 7:30 AM CST
No doglover.

The one often goes by the name of Siberian squill and the other as glory of the snow.

Am assuming their rapid spreading is also related to the fact that they are both poisonous.
Mind you daffodils are poisonous too, but, to my knowledge, daffodils don't spread by seeding.

I agree with you about gardeners and spreading plants, at one level,
but, more generally about perennials, a problem is that many only bloom for two or three weeks.

Consequently, if you want ongoing colour you need lots of different plants that bloom at different times of the growing season.
An aggressively spreading plant, of one type, does so at the expense of other less aggressive plants.
Reducing the variety of plants in a perennial bed, reduces the amount of ongoing (and changing) colour.
Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
May 16, 2013 5:06 PM CST
I ordered 500 Chionodoxa sardensis and 100 Chionodoxa Gigantea Violet Beauty for fall. So I should have lots next spring.
Name: Charlie
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SunnyBorders
May 17, 2013 8:10 AM CST
Don't know about the potential invasiveness of those species of Chionodoxa, Rita.

As you likely know, Chionodoxa forbesii/luciliae (the usual one) will not stay in place, like your lovely species tulips do.
The major problem is prolific seeding and being poisonous (viz. spreading not controlled by voles, etc.).

I'm seeing it spreading here from private gardens into other private gardens and into a public park.
I'm probably a traditionalist, but I don't believe that one individual should effectively put their choice in plants in other peoples gardens.
Guess the same goes for (not controlling) ones own dandelions.

Pictures I already used from a visit to Niagara-on-the-Lake one later April (below).
My own feeling is "no wonder they're moving' (that's a joke, I think);
but seriously what if their neighbours don't like this sort of plant distribution.
Once well established in this area, I can only assume they'll be invading the next.

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Re this Chionodoxa: I'd say "Each to their own taste", but don't push yours down other peoples' throats".
I believe it's already classified as a noxious weed in Germany.
Suspect the time will come here.

Of course, Rita, the species you mention may well be more tame.
Name: Rita
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Newyorkrita
May 17, 2013 9:27 AM CST
I have had Chionodoxa sardensis in my yard for thirty years. Those same few plants. They never spread at all. This spring I did tour a neighborhood home and they had Chionodoxa all thru the lawn. Similar to your puctures. I thought it looked beautiful. As it was naturalised I feel it must have been Chionodoxa forbesii. But I ordered my same as I already had Chionodoxa sardensis and will be putting that in my lawn.
Name: Charlie
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SunnyBorders
May 17, 2013 10:00 AM CST
Interesting re your species, Rita.
Seems a safe bet for your growing conditions.
May try it myself.

Not sure about the "naturalization" of alien species.
I'm assuming the problem is that the checks and balances between species, in the native ecosystem, are lacking when one species is placed in a non-native environment.
I also assume Chionodoxa forbesii is going to prove to be one of those few run-away alien plant, though I haven't seen it moving into the extensive conservation areas around here (yet).

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