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Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
Apr 14, 2012 7:21 PM CST
Zone 8 north central Fl. Growing in partial to heavy shade. Sorry about the bloom photo but the day was so very windy I had trouble holding it still even long enough for the camera & the camera is quick. The blooms didn't open until about 10:30 - 11:00.







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Name: Jay
Nederland, Texas (Zone 9a)
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Horntoad
Apr 14, 2012 8:54 PM CST
Looks like Lactuca. Possibly Lactuca floridana.
wildflowersoftexas.com
texasnatureonline.com


Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
Apr 15, 2012 6:44 AM CST
The leaves don't match Lactuca floridana Jay ..

http://www.alabamaplants.com/Bluealt/Lactuca_floridana_page....

It looks like a type of Asteraceae, look at Symphyotrichum subulatum which is similar but not the one.

http://www.wnmu.edu/academic/nspages/gilaflora/symphyotrichu...

The leaves should be easily recognised if anyone knows it but so far I'm drawing a blank.
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
Apr 15, 2012 7:39 AM CST
I was concerned with the leaves also. That & the fact that none of the photos or text mentioned the reddish - purplish tint. The buds would show the hue but not the leaves. I found this though:

http://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/prairie/plantx/wild_lett...

Part of the text being --- "The central stem is terete and glabrous, light green or reddish green (sometimes with purple streaks), and often glaucous. The alternate leaves are light green to dark green, sometimes with purple edges or a yellowish cast." "The largest leaves have deep pinnate lobes, while the smaller leaves have shallow pinnate lobes or none; they are wider at their bases than at their tips, and their bases clasp the stem."
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Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
Apr 15, 2012 8:14 AM CST
Also see:

http://www.cas.vanderbilt.edu/bioimages/species/laca.htm

http://pick4.pick.uga.edu/mp/20q?search=Lactuca+canadensis

http://minnesotaseasons.com/Plants/Canada_lettuce.html

I think it's L. canadensis aka Florida blue lettuce among others.
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
Apr 15, 2012 9:11 AM CST
The leaves on L. canadensis only resemble your plant in a similarity in form, other than that they are very different.
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
May 4, 2012 1:19 PM CST
Okay, here we go for another try at this one with some better photos of the bloom. I counted petals or rays & there are around 20. The rays are not pointed or rounded at the ends but rather blunt as if cut by scissors. This plant has pure white thick latex like sap when you break the stem. And when you even barely touch the buds your fingers come away sticky even though you can see no sap on the buds or your fingers. I think Janet is on the right track or at least that this is not wild lettuce. It must be in the aster family. They are all over our property so they can't be that rare?????

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Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
May 20, 2012 11:27 AM CST
Okay, positive ID. This is Lactuca floridana & Jay called it.
See:

http://www.toledo-bend.us/index.asp?f_blue2
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
May 20, 2012 11:41 AM CST
That's really strange Ann, the leaves on the photos on your link do look to match but look at the leaves on this site ...

http://www.alabamaplants.com/Bluealt/Lactuca_floridana_page....

And ..

http://www.cas.vanderbilt.edu/bioimages/species/lafl.htm

http://www.delawarewildflowers.org/plant.php?id=1106&mode=F&...

I think the site you linked to has got it wrong.
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Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
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flaflwrgrl
May 20, 2012 11:53 AM CST
I know Janet but there are multiple references to the Lactuca having highly variable leaf appearance but there is only one with the purple flowers & that is the L. floridana.
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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
May 20, 2012 11:56 AM CST
flaflwrgrl said:I know Janet but there are multiple references to the Lactuca having highly variable leaf appearance but there is only one with the purple flowers & that is the L. floridana.


But, you are assuming it is Lactuca, which it probably is not. Yes, leaves are often variable as shown is the examples Iinked to, but I doubt very much they are that variable.

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Name: Janet Super Sleuth
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JRsbugs
May 20, 2012 5:36 PM CST
Lactuca graminifolia

http://www.shirleydenton.com/plants/plant_www.php?uniq=lactu...

http://eol.org/pages/467166/entries/34552935/overview

http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=LAGR

http://lyvon.smugmug.com/RobertFoxsRiverRun/Flower-images-pl...






Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Region: Florida Dog Lover Birds
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flaflwrgrl
May 20, 2012 6:13 PM CST
You surely did it Janet! I tip my hat to you.
I've been hunting & hunting these many hours & got an idea it was the L. graminifolia but all the photos showed only straight leaves.
No doubt in my mind you are exactly correct!
Thank you! Smiling
I am a strong believer in the simple fact is that what matters in this life is how we treat others. I think that's what living is all about. Not what I've done in my life but how I've treated others.
~~ Sharon Brown ~~



Name: Janet Super Sleuth
Near Lincoln UK
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JRsbugs
May 20, 2012 6:29 PM CST
If I had checked out all the Lactuca species in the first place I might have got there quicker! The leaves were so different to L. floridana I had doubts about it being Lactuca. Rolling my eyes. Hilarious!
Name: Ann ~Heat zn 9, Sunset
North Fl. (Zone 8b)
Garden Sages Native Plants and Wildflowers Xeriscape Organic Gardener I was one of the first 300 contributors to the plant database! Garden Ideas: Master Level
Butterflies Charter ATP Member Plant Identifier Region: Florida Dog Lover Birds
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flaflwrgrl
May 20, 2012 7:27 PM CST
And on the opposite end of the spectrum, I was so sure it was Lactuca. I had the advantage of intimate knowledge of the plant in person & everything except the leaves was so right on for L. floridana. But you see I even had my doubts at one point there.
I'm just glad it's over! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing
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