The third one was a seedling, Larry told me whos it was but I forget. It could very well be registered now, Larry started all this several years ago. Larry and Bill work pretty close together and both are really good at doing conversions. Larry has shown me the hold process, but being I am leaning more and more toward dips, well you know. Its a very expensive process also. First you have to have enough plants to start, most will die from the treatment or not work, then you baby sit them for several weeks keeping them at the correct temp. and moisture. Then to sell one you have to increase them making sure they don't revert back.
The scape on STRONG TOWER is the reason I got it, I have lots pretty faces with great scapes from WILD DREAMS and want to cross them with ST.