Most of his amoena types don't do well for me zone7 east tn I'm starting to believe they need better drainage Barry's soil type is mostly sand. Other types seem to like it I believe I will move adoree and ginger ice to the arilbreds beds adoree has been here 3 years and barely holds on with a single increase each season and no bloom since the first season did get seed times tango amigo The * are new acquisitions this season